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Comment number 631. Posted by NPAUL
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This is ridiculous
They are from Jamaica so why should they be concerned about Jamaican justice and prisons. Sent the lot of them back immediately.
Why should we pay for them and their prisons?
What about the rights of their victims?
And why on earth should Cameron apologize for slavery – move on – or is this a cover to scrounge yet more money from a pathetically weak British government?
Comment number 630. Posted by Sameolrub
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So the UK owes £ 4.5 trillion so we don’t have any of our own money to spend . We are spending our children’s money , THEIR future . The UK’s future . We have no money of our own and the debt is getting worse . Eventually we will sink .
Comment number 629. Posted by happy is a choice
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Comment number 628. Posted by johnboy41
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The PMs relatives were responsible = a cousin 6 times removed. Tenuous at best, ridiculous in reality.
Reparations? I’ve heard more convincing Nigerian email scams!!!
5 hours ago
611. Posted by Windywind
602 – Using your twisted logic, we can say that black Jamaicans should be thanking us for slavery – after all, if they were still in African they’d be on average 5-15x poorer than they are now. Check the figures.
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I don’t remember mentioning Jamaicans.
The logic is your own.
446. Posted by SimonM
We should sue the French for annihilating our culture in 1066!
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They weren’t French, they were Norman: French speaking, Danish Vikings.
And they made England into a powerhouse.
I am sure those raped and murdered at the time would have been very happy if they had known in advance…
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Comment number 623. Posted by Flashman
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5 hours ago
Of course we should discuss reparations – I want to know when Jamaica is going to compensate Britain for the 600 scum bags that are currently polluting our jails. This is happening now, not 200 years ago. Come on Jamaica, cough up! Then you can put all this rabble in your own jails.
Sounds fair!
Time for the British to stop being blackmailed over centuries old issues and tell countries such as Jamaica to move on
But British politicians are so afraid of saying no in case they are accused of being racist – this is the outcome the left wing doctrine that multiculturalism is good and only whites in this country are racist
So Cameron is in the Carribean? Working on getting billions of unpaid UK tax back from the tax havens there no doubt?
No instead he’s spending another £25 million of UK tax payers money and his wealthy bosses have nothing to fear.
More evil Tory economics hurting the UK majority yet again.
A lot of the slaves that were transported were the prisoners of war from internal African Tribal issues. Whole villages were sold off as well as unwanted female children etc and were sold to the traders as slaves by other Africans to get rid of their own criminals and mouths that needed feeding in a profitable way for the tribal kings. Nice to know they were as corrupt as the rest of the world!
572. Hereward
I am hard pressed to remember anyone stating that they were going to win. Maybe you are confusing UKIP with Labour?
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Awww, selective memory. Of course no one will admit to that now, will they. I voted Tory btw (like many others, I did not think Ed Miliband was PM material) . I won.
I think contriuting to building the prison and then deporting the prisoners makes economic sense – however they should have to still serve the remainder of their term so justice is served.
As for reparations – come on Jamaica, you’re better than this! Move forward instead of living in the past!
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Reparations? For slavery and theft.
OK we want reparations from Demark, Norway and Iceland for the Normans invasions
Germany and Denmark for the Saxons
France for the mob from Normandy etc.
Italy for the Romans.
Various North African states for the Barbary coast white slave trade.
Picts have a DNA that is the same as the Basques from Spain, another claim
Celts came from Europe originally
Are you listening all you politicians? To the comments on reparations, deportation and immigration? Thought not.
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560. Posted by uk
If you want reparations from the Normans then you’ll probably be going after the same wealthy land owning families that the Jamaicans would be going after.
298. Ajani – Classic Dave to bring this up on the first official visit by a UK PM to Jamaica.
Prisoners Abroad the UK charity is supporting over 1,200 British prisoners held in foreign prisons in more than 85 countries across the world.
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UK may get drug smugglers and sex offenders in Asia, plus other criminals back.
Asian PM’s would probably discuss mutually beneficial ideas?
The ideaof nations is long gone with the globalisation. So “everything must passby”. So if UK was relatively poor before industrial rev doesnot mean it will remained poor. Some poor nations were not industrialised doesnot mean they cannot become industrialised..Accept the change and move on..Nothing remains same..Everything evolves
If the prison saves us money in the long term whilst ensuring a basic, humane standard of living for criminals, then it is the logical thing to do. “Hur hur, forriner prisoners don’t deserve nothing” may be a good enough stance to take if you are a moron, but it isn’t for anyone with any actual power and responsibility.
602 – Using your twisted logic, we can say that black Jamaicans should be thanking us for slavery – after all, if they were still in African they’d be on average 5-15x poorer than they are now. Check the figures.
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Comment number 609. Posted by PDurr
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Firstly before people start saying I left wing,please remember I worked in the insurance industry including Lloyd’s of London for 40 yrs and therefore a hard working tax person-How can Cameron go round the world on our money and give OUR money out like this,when he is allowing our people to suffer,die,our hospitals need the money,schools and building of houses for our young people
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If a foreigner commits a crime against one of my loved ones, the last thing I want is for them to be deported & then possibly freed early. I want them to serve the sentence, so if that means in a UK prison so be it.
Slavery reparations? Don’t make me laugh. It was 200 yrs ago & Britain was instrumental in its abolition. Try asking the Saudis where slavery was still legal in 1961.
Officials say the foreign aid-funded deal could save UK taxpayers £10m a year when transfers begin in 2020.
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The logic of this isn’t lost on me, but it does remind me of a certain synonym where you don’t ask the wife how much money she spent at the sales, you ask how much she saved you.
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593. Harold
“the nation does not consist of a handful of sad unemployed people who spend their whole day looking for affirmation on HYS and whose “sentiment” is dominated by resentment and a false sense of entitlement.”
Oh, the irony….
The UK slave trade ended. The US slave trade a little later.
However the last country to end official (i.e. legal) chattel slave trading was Mauritius in 2007. Eritrea and Mauritania were also within the last decades…
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The slave trade did not end – it expanded to include EVERYONE
Usury is the cell we are locked in. The prison guards just wear pinstripe suits instead
European countries cannot keep “apologising for slavery” – it seems to be forgotten that African tribes and Arabs were also implicit in the trade. We all know it was wrong, hence abolition; however slavery is still with us in the 21st century and mainly practiced by African, Arabs and Asians – these should be the targets now to be brought to justice.
Good idea, but here comes the big question? Who pays for their repatriation air fare? UK taxpayers (mugs), Jamaican Government or a bit of old fashioned slavery e.g. make them work for the airfare repairing buildings, pot holes etc. First class or cattle class? harder they work, the better the seat home. I know ooman rights mob are offering them migrants asylum status because they have a baby here
560. Posted by uk
Personally I think we should pay our reparations to the Jamaicans from the reparations we are to receive from the Normans and the Vikings.
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The Normans made England. Without them you’d still be building in wood like a load of hippies in a commune.
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Comment number 600. Posted by Paddy
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590. Posted by leambloke
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Instead of paying £25m for a prison just for Jamaican crims, why not pay that to build a prison on the outer herbridies to house all foreign prisoners and then when they’ve served their term ship them out and back to where they come from or in fact save the money and ship them back from day one.
I knew we would find a use for Scotland 🙂
5 hours ago
Just more proof if any was needed that this government are cluelesss,
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Comment number 597. Posted by adiEU Muppets
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Comment number 596. Posted by Phil
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5 hours ago
“520. Posted by 1L19
I think 459; Phil was being sarcastic.”
I was saying that holding today’s Britons responsible for their forebears’ wrongdoing is as pointless as holding today’s Italians responsible for Roman brutality.
Most of the industry that benefited from the slave trade is now in the Far East anyway.
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Come on everyone. Of course the Jamaicans want money from us. The whole commonwealth has got the hump with us. Butter and lamb was cheap and plentiful from New zealand, wool from Australia etc. We kicked the people that fought for us in two world wars in the teeth when we joined the EU. Of course Jamaica wants payback.
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A good Idea at long last from the Tories. It cost over £4k per week for an inmate in UK jails. 600 prisoners times £4k times 52 weeks. Do the maths.
Or we could just kick this rubbish back to where they came from and pocket the 24m quid – an even better idea!
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@ 572. Posted by Hereward
Calm down dear. No logic involved, just common sense: the nation does not consist of a handful of sad unemployed people who spend their whole day looking for affirmation on HYS and whose “sentiment” is dominated by resentment and a false sense of entitlement. That is very clearly reflected in the election of a centre right rather than a far right government.
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If only the slave trade ended in 1807…
The UK slave trade ended then (1807). The US slave trade a little later.
However the last country to end official (i.e. legal) chattel slave trading was Mauritius in 2007. Eritrea and Mauritania were also within the last decades.
Indentured servitude is common over the ME, North Africa and throughout southern-asia
5 hours ago
Please can we have our railways back. And our Hospitals. And our medicines. And our technology. And our sports. And our language. And our schools. And in return we’ll give you back your criminals.
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Instead of paying £25m for a prison just for Jamaican crims, why not pay that to build a prison on the outer herbridies to house all foreign prisoners and then when they’ve served their term ship them out and back to where they come from or in fact save the money and ship them back from day one.
The past is the past they’ve all had more out of us than we ever took.
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While the aristocracy were employing slaves in their plantations, my family were working on the same owners’ estates in the UK under similar conditions, starving, cold and unshod, but didn’t have to be bought from traders. Why should I pay reparations to descendents of the African slaves if my ancestors are just forgotten?
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520. Posted by 1L 19 : I agree with you.
Somehow when European nations conquered other European nations, they were never seen as low race. They might have had enemity, but they never treated as low race. But in colonisation, the Europeans always saw indigeneous as low race, destroyed them in millions and saw their culture in suspecion. I feel this is wrong.
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Comment number 586. Posted by Binkiehuckaback
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What is being hidden? Its the only conclusion I can come to when the BBC and the rest of the media suddenly stops the saturation coverage, pathetic pictures and articles?
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Comment number 585. Posted by Oysterman
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5 hours ago
What next? Syria, Pakistan, Iraq ??
5 hours ago
This is an absolute disgrace!
Why isn’t this article about Jeremy Corbyn (all the others seem to be)
I shall write to Points of View!!
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The problems with people who want reparations is after they get the money and spend it. They then try the same argument years later.
The fact the UK has bankrolled so many Caribbean countries seems to be irrelevant to these short sighted money grabbers.
I say we should demand tribute for protection, I’d love to see the look on their faces
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And another issue that introduces divisiveness rather than unity. Very biblical outlook though, the sins of the fathers etc. Maybe we can round up all those screaming for their rights and equalities so they can be more equal so the rest of us can get on with getting along together
If I was a criminal I would choose to be a criminal in the UK. Firstly there is more reward up for grabs, secondly the prisons are nicer and sentences shorter. Thirdly there is a chance of not being deported due to Human Rights legislation. It’s not surprising we have so many foreign criminals come here and end up in our prisons.
300m being passed over to the Carribbean to fund roads,bridges and ports…i honestly cannot believe this Government – what about spending that money on OUR country and sorting out NHS etc
Im sick of this
A good Idea at long last from the Tories. It cost over £4k per week for an inmate in UK jails. 600 prisoners times £4k times 52 weeks. Do the maths.
It not only pays for itself after a few years but relieves the pressure on the prison system. It also may stop a few then claiming asylum in the UK because they have lived here so long.
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Comment number 577. Posted by PM
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5 hours ago
Can all those whose family was involved in Slavery and got their wealth from it contribute and leave the rest of us out
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533. Finlay
Approximately 14% of prisoners in the UK are foreign nationals, that’s around 12,000 of the approximately 86,000 people in prisons and young offender institutes. I wouldn’t advocate deporting them all – some are dangerous, some have victims who deserve to see justice done – but the rest should just be deported, easing the burden on the prison service and the taxpayer.
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Hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. This is austerity Tory style. Will they be exploiting the prisoners like the US do, working them as slaves and telling them its for their own good? kinda suits the Tory credo after all and, interestingly some European country or other circa the 1930’s 🙂
“545.Moneydude
Time to stick up for the UK, the British people and the British culture”
I think the Jamaicans are probably complaining about the British culture that was imposed on them without their consent. However, could you define that “culture”? Because a) it’s been constantly changing for centuries. and b) it was pretty multicultural anyway. Toffs had very different culture to plebs!
The idea of financial reparations is absurd and nothing but racist cherry-picking – what about the Arab slave trade for instance?. The Jamaican Gov are just using this as a shiny bauble to distract the masses away from their crippling failures. Guilt is NOT inherited.
My ancestors were mixed Anglo-Scottish-Irish-Norman. Can the English me sue the French? Can the Irish in me sue the English???
562. Harold
Oh I see!! So by your logic the national sentiment must be diametrically opposed to the view expressed here…..
And though there were many claims about the level of success UKIP should have gotten from the Election, I am hard pressed to remember anyone stating that they were going to win. Maybe you are confusing UKIP with Labour?
Tribes in Africa were more than willing to help with the slave trade, and without whose help it probably would never have got off the ground. Slavery has been endemic throughout history representing the exploitation by man of his fellow man. Need I mention the words banker, corporation or politician to emphasise the point? Exploitation is still very much alive and well in todays Britain!
What Camerons family historically got up to is nothing to do with the British people, many of which are also descended from slaves.
That apology request should be directed at those/families who’s grandiose positions of power and wealth in life today was created upon the historical backs of slaves.
542. Posted by Conner De Public
The BBC has become Britains equivalent of Fox News for our loony left..
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Except Fox News are completely right wing and loony Christian. And they have Bill O’Reilly – nutjob extraordinaire.
The condidtions in Jamaican prisons are not very good so we build a hotel so more Jamaicans will want to go to prison. Seems the answer to me is to lower the conditions in our own prisons and then people here might not regard them as an alternative lifestyle and commit crimes to pass the admission criteria
557. Vorsprung Durch PivotTables
We’re not going to permanently staff & regulate the place as well, are we?!
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probably – we like to promote our “prison services” abroad.. Just ask the Saudi King..
We will be executing his dissenters for him soon even though our official stance is against the killing of those convicted as a minor, for anti-government protest.. only officially of course!
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We can’t afford to look after the skilled workers of Redcar and the poor and disabled across the country; we can’t afford to invest in energy and infrastructure, (so we ask China for some cash) but we can’t half build prisons (and drop bombs) Apparently, our Govt is a success.
532. Posted by james77
Multiculturalism has certainly got a lot to answer for in the U.K, mass immigration, knife crime, gun crime, drugs, rape, terrorism this list goes on.
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With the exception of immigration, which is a result of neoliberalism, all of these things are at an all-time low. So hooray for multiculturalism, I guess!
I don’t hear many demands from Jamaicans to be repatriated to the places from which their ancestors came.
It seems to me that Jamaicans HAVE received a reparation.Britain handed them Jamaica,a rather nice place,free of charge.If they’re not happy there,maybe Britain can give them all their airfares to Africa and retake possession of Jamaica.
What are Primark doing to reduce slave labour in their overseas factories?
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460. Jim
We civilised Jamaica. They should be grateful.
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Civilised it? Some here claim it’s a toilet. But maybe at is your standard of civilisation.
I feel like playing my King Tubby records now.
@ 531. Hereward: Hey look! It’s the same outcome as when people on HYS were asked whether UKIP would win the election! Must be the same people!
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1. Maybe its our prisons that are too nice, not theirs being too bad.
2. If these criminals hadn’t come to the UK and had commited the crimes in Jamaica then theyd have ended up in those prisons anyway.
3. Why should the money i work hard for go towards paying for foriegn infrastructure.
4. I bet that somewhere in the mix there is a company building the prison linked to someone in UK government
Personally I think we should pay our reparations to the Jamaicans from the reparations we are to receive from the Normans and the Vikings.
545. Posted by Moneydude
“Time to stick up for the UK, the British people and the British culture. And get rid of those who disagree with this.”
You would have loved Germany in the 30’s.
528. Posted by Icabod
When it comes to the BLACK man..obviously, there’s a different rule. Typical hypocrisy…
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Personally, skin colour is irrelevant to me. How people conduct themselves and their affairs, that’s what’s important. 300 undesirables in our prisons. Not a glowing reference for Jamaica is it?
“Currently they cannot be sent to Jamaica because of fears that jail conditions in the country would allow a successful challenge under human rights law.”
But ‘conditions’ are all to do with the behaviour & training of the Prison Officers, not the physical building. We’re not going to permanently staff & regulate the place as well, are we?!
Comment number 556. Posted by Pammij
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We have already reparated…we asked them over here in the 50s/60s welcomed them and gave them jobs..houses and a more comfortable lifestyle! As their children here have got today. Whether or not they make something out of this or end up in a jail wherever..is up to them..seems some people just cant move on!!
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Comment number 555. Posted by carlofantom
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blimey there must be a large number of native Jamaicans languishing in our prisons to make this deal good value. Can we build one in poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Nigeria and where ever else we have imported criminals from? British Nicks for British criminals that’s what I say.oh yeah maybe the odd Borstal in Glasgow for all the drunken Glaswegians I find begging for trainfare home :o)
If we can send all our criminals there then it might be a good idea
I think we were slaves of the Romans and then the Normans, far longer than Jamaicans were slaves of the British. Why should I pay or apologise for my fore fathers
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Slavery is no longer acceptable in the civilised world. Instead we import foreign workers to undercut the natives and both groups live on a pittance with no security of tenure or right to protest. Meanwhile costly jobs are shipped off to India and we buy cheap textiles from countries which still employ slaves. The world has changed so much.
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A few truths. Britain was complicit in the slave trade as were many other European countries. Africans were equally implicit in the slave trade they carried out the raids and brought victims to the coast. Romans enslaved many Europeans & Africans including the British, Egyptians enslaved Africans you could go on.
The average British person during slavery was equally poorly treated.
So little long term thinking on this board. Yes, we’re building a jail in another country for a large sum. But the alternative is imprisoning them here at larger cost. This fulfills the requirements of the HRA (which whether we should or shouldn’t keep is another debate entirely) and future proofs future deportations. Reparations arguments are just tired now.
I think 459; Phil was being sarcastic.
This must be a bit of a dilemma for your average Corbyn cheerleader?
On the one hand, sending them back to Jamaica is ticking a box in the human rights list…but admitting that is almost agreeing with Cameron? Oh dear Oh dear.. Whats a North London socialist to do ?
As for the reparation issue…Well I can almost here the PC whoops of excitement from here…Question Time anybody??
hang on a minute when they were slaves the uk was sending kids up chimneys compensate them, and kids were working 10 or 12 hours in factories doing dangerous jobs compensate them and what about the poor kids sent down mines, times have changed and they changed along time ago after we compensate the uk people then we can think about others
My working class British family didn’t benefit from the slave trade. My family were dirt poor until the 1970s. Thats when they benefitted from contraception and education.
5 hours ago
Why is the UK so weak?
Massive tax to EU now paid, prison in Jamaica, Birmingham City Council abolishing St George’s Day…
We once had a backbone, now we are jelly-fish apologists who bow down to anybody who wants us to.
Time to stick up for the UK, the British people and the British culture. And get rid of those who disagree with this.
ISIS and Islamic nutters beware!
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@8 flipmode
Send them back if you know their origin
£25 million to the NHS
I don’t care what prisons are like in Jamaica.
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You do realise that £25m represents less than 0.02% of the nhs’ current budget.
Don’t get me wrong, it boggles my mind that it costs £10k a year more than the ave. wage to house a criminal but we can’t just make it someone else’s problem without assistance.
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511. Harry
You can’t commit a crime that doesn’t exist at any particular part of history.Slavery at that time was not only not a crime,it was globally accepted as a legitimate part of economics and wealth creation,as it had been for centuries in all cultures.In hindsight it was deeply offensive and wrong,but that is a different issue.We have apologised enough,and have helped many Nations since.
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The BBC has become Britains equivalent of Fox News for our loony left..
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Breaking news…. Corbyn announces Labour will introduce a ‘reparation tax’ of 10%. It will be a universal tax as actually tracing who were related to slave traders would be impossible. This is so popular people are stampeding to join the Labour Party…………………….
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I’m not apologising for the actions of governments that I didn’t vote for. So I don’t need to apologize for slavery any more than I have to apologize for Thatcher’s evil deeds.
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The British people should demand compensation for all the crimes committed by Jamaican gangsters in our country.
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Why not spend the money on UK policing?
If criminals from all countries of origin, as well as our own rogues, were persuaded that crime never pays, we wouldn’t need to spend so much money on prisons.
I’d like to see more “real” policemen on patrol on foot, more in cars on patrol, and more involved in detecting crime with CID and similar.
It would also help if we could catch terrorists!
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Perhaps the Cornish people should ‘demand’ reparations from Morocco, Algeria and Tunis for slave trade perpetrated by the Barbary Pirates? Whole villages were taken as slaves for the Arabian Empire over hundreds of years…
An excellent idea. A sound way to save taxpayer money. Perhaps it can be a first step to similar plans everywhere else – you get arrested, interned automatically deported and presumably refused re entry due to a criminal record. An absolute no brainer. Well done.
498. Posted by Harold
The slavery Jamaica refers to happened in the name of the British flag. When the Romans and Vikings conquered they didn’t in the name of the Italian, Swedish, etc flags. Clear cut off point.
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Really? The Roman Empire was 2000 years ago. Italy only became a country in 1861.
Don’t know why you think Sweden is relevant.
Unbelievable, some lefty human rights lawyer,, what about the rights of the poor girls..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-34392667
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I wonder what the percentage is of foreign prisoners in UK jails?
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Multiculturalism has certainly got a lot to answer for in the U.K, mass immigration, knife crime, gun crime, drugs, rape, terrorism this list goes on.
Let’s see what the view is on HYS today. In the interests of a balanced debate:
All – if you think that the UK should hold a referendum on paying reparations to its colonies because of our evil past please vote UP.
If you consider such an referendum to be a waste of time given that the UK’s use of slavery happened over 200 years ago then please vote DOWN.
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Where do these claims end ? Its a joke from bankrupt governments clutching at straws.
As for Jamaicans in British prisons why were they even here ?
and as for us paying for the prison from the overseas aide budget , thats fine , its cheaper to house them in Jamaica and ban them from the UK and a better use of the £ 13 Bn budget than often how its spent presently
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What? My comment is removed for breaking house rules? I made NO racist comment, NO insulting of anyone, and in summary I merely stated two facts. That African tribal leaders sold the slaves to Europeans, so maybe their ancestors should pay money as well, and that Jamaica needs money because of its decades of financial corruption. Yet, it ONLY broke house rules once it got more that 50 likes??
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When it comes to the Jews and victim’s of the holocaust, they got various compensation. When it comes to the BLACK man..obviously, there’s a different rule. Typical hypocrisy…
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And where does this stop?
Jamaican nationals are in our prisons because they broke our law.
Not Jamaican law.
What is to stop the Jamaican government from releasing them once they get there?
Who will be next?
Is Cameron planning on send all the other foreign nationals back by spending millions more on building new prisons abroad?
And peopIe thought Farage was the racist.
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Gosh, the moderators must be on double time today ! The BBC, that bastion of political correctness must absolutely hate getting the British true opinions of all this PC and Human Rights crap.
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466. Posted by Hostamosta
Lot of comments on here being removed today. Nothing to do with pleasing the stroppy, childish loony left is it?
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Oh god, my irony-meter just exploded. Thanks a lot, jerk.
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418. Harold
385. adiEU Muppets
The Vikings came from.. Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
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Is that what those countries were know as back then?
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Nitpicking. See above answer – I’m sure various tribes from all of the mentioned “areas” used to combine for war.
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Sounds like a good first step. Asking other sovereign territories to accept criminals (by our law), moreso to imprison them for us, is fraught with difficulties. I heard a good suggestion on the radio recently: detain those whose welcome is in doubt / expired in the UK in colossal ships at sea – where “jurisdictional issues” don’t apply – until they can be repatriated.
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Comment number 522. Posted by U14758196
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498. Posted by Harold
Oh I see, so all a country has to do to rid itself of frivolous claims is to change its flag?
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Can we send all the other jamacians in the uk who were jailed as part of the riots in the uk a few years ago and claim compensation from the jamaican gov for the damage they did…im sure there would be more than enough to pay for that jail….with conditions that they will maintain it properly however…
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459.Phil…think about it! That argument means no one is responsible, divi! British slave trade was global, financed the industrial revolution and was genocidal, obvious that most on here chose to deny reality while soak up the wealth and comfort on the back of decades of suffering, it makes me sick to the stomach.
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The reasons immigrants aren’t really bothered about our laws and enforcement are violent criminals are not likely to die at the hands of the police when conducting their business; they get free legal representation when they get caught despite ill-gotten gains; they are not likely to be deported, or lose their criminal rewards, and our prisons are often better places to live than their homelands.
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40. monacle
Another reason to leave the eu, we should be spending the 25 million on the nhs or our own jails.
If Jamaica wants to improve its own jails then that’s their choice with their money. Sure some people will vote this down without any reason.
– I wouldn’t be surprised if it is voted down. The HRA act has nothing to do with EU membership and was written by the UK long before.
Weren’t our human rights compromised by their criminal activity? They should have thought about Jamaican prisons before breaking our laws. Send them back now.
5 hours ago
Anyone coming here from another country convicted of any crime that involves a custodial sentence should immediately be deported to become a problem for their home nation. If they face problems in their home country they should have thought about that before committing a crime here. iF THEY H
on
5 hours ago
People should move on otherwise plenty of European countries will be knocking on Germany’s door asking for a few euro.
on
5 hours ago
406. Davey Trasker
“Jamaica is so obviously losing the battle against crime. Wouldn’t be better if we went over there and showed them how to run the country?”
We did that once – it is called colonialism and the PC brigade would burst a blood vessel sceaming about it if we tried it again.
on
5 hours ago
Is Jamaica a country all by itself? Maybe I’m missing the point somewhere but why are we spending UK money in building another countries infrastructure for them? By the same extension we should build jails all over the world for prisoners in UK jails.
Jamaican jails are Jamaican responsibility and so are their citizens. Ship the criminals back and let them sort it out themselves.
on
5 hours ago
You should go to prison in the country in which you commit the crime. Deportation should only come after that.
on
5 hours ago
45. Posted by 50shadesofearlgrey
on 2 hours ago
“also wants an apology from the British Government” for it’s role in the slave trade?
They should be thanking the British Government for ABOLISHING IT
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So first commit the crimes, then stop it, then expect to be thanked for stopping it ? and such comments are highest rated ?
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Comment number 510. Posted by silenytata
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5 hours ago
Very sad. We need the Chinese and French to build our new nuclear stations but hey we can build prisons in Jamaica.
Man-up England!
Why are we spending £25m on a prison in another country so we can deem it acceptable to deport criminals from that country back to serve their prison sentence?
If you commit a crime which carries a prison sentence you have to go to prison. That is the punishment no matter how poor the condition of the prison
I know this sounds obvious BUT
If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!
on
5 hours ago
If my great, great,great,great grandfather was (possibly) guilty of a crime hundreds of years ago does that mean that I should apologise and pay for it? Guess what? – I plead not guilty!
on
5 hours ago
@408. EconomicDoubts
“For all who presume that the Slave Trade is ancient history – yadda yadda, blah blah etc”
Fine. There is nothing to stop you raising a class action suit against the descendants of 11th century landowners for violating the human rights of serfs. I would be interested to know the resulting judgement.
A clue – legislation is rarely applied retrospectively…
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5 hours ago
473. GB
Totally agree. You could massively cut the prison population by legalising and regulating drugs and it would be an incredible money spinner so the Tories could not play the ideological austerity nonsense. It would also lead to a reduction in stop and search which causes so much resentment, and cripple the finances of many vicious gangs.
Win, win, win, win situation.
s
on
5 hours ago
Perhaps this country can get an apology for the crime done by Caribbean -originating Criminals within this country.Time to wind up the”Commonwealth”-NONE of them offered any help or support in the Falklands War,now they are “Free” “Independent” States-get on with it,earn your own living,find your own way in the World like everyone else.Countries full of “Eternal Victims”,in need of Reality checks!
5 hours ago
Whilst we’re all thinking reparations, France owes us big time. Territory in N France used to be under the English crown… If it had remained thus we may not have been forced to bail the French out against the Germans twice over the last century; at enormous cost both economically and in terms of life…
Time will only tell if history repeats itself with the German empire… Sorry EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-34392667
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Comment number 501. Posted by MightyScotsPine
on
5 hours ago
What if you are half Jamaican, half British, do you pay reparations to yourself ?
on
5 hours ago
Jamaica is third highest in the list of foreign countries with nationals serving prison sentences in the UK.
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With Polish prisoners topping the list, what’s the excuse there then, other than most of the obligated countries refusing to comply with their agreements? Being as they’re among the immigrants that allegedly benefit us most, perhaps DC would tell me it’s “not the right approach”?
As I understand the history of slavery is that West Africans and Arabs were responsible for rounding up natives to be sold on as slaves.
Britain was the first country to outlaw slavery. However, slavery is not over. Criminal gangs globally are still trafficking women and children into slavery and prostitution.
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5 hours ago
@ 431. Hereward
Look at the posts thus far – it’s an opinion shared.
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Indeed. By the same people who said UKIP would win the GE. That’s how representative HYS is of public opinion.
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The slavery Jamaica refers to happened in the name of the British flag. When the Romans and Vikings conquered they didn’t in the name of the Italian, Swedish, etc flags. Clear cut off point.
on
5 hours ago
Surely poor jail conditions in the country you will be returned to if you are not an UK resident and offend here is an ADDED incentive not to be a criminal.
on
5 hours ago
Conditions in prisons in Jamaica are poor, so forget about putting them in prison in Jamaica and just deport them. The only burden on the taxpayer is the cost of a plane ticket and we don’t have to worry about any “ethical concerns”. If they’re stupid enough to commit crime when they get to Jamaica, that’s not our problem. As for reparations, no. An apology for any historic wrongs is sufficient.
hmm… I am still trying to get my head around with this. So the conditions of jails in Indian / Pakistan / other Asian countries are even worst ,so is he going to do same for these countries?
Why do you even care for these criminals!? Just deport them who cares if they live a life of a donkey or monkey ! They did crime at first place !
Use that money on NHS instead ! But Cameron love pigs!
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5 hours ago
One wonders how much money Governmental contacts will make from this generous use of public money (laughably referred to as ‘foreign aid’) to fund a foreign prison?
One wonders why this particular ‘aid’?
And one also wonders what better uses that money could be put to, to aid people both at home and abroad?
5 hours ago
As much as I hate to admit it and through gritted teeth…Building the prison does make sense and pays for itself within a few years. It frees up hundreds of places in our overstretched prisons…Its all very well screaming ” why should we pay!”…the fact is, if we don’t build it, Jamaica wont. The alternative is 400+ yardies sat in Her majesty’s hotels here. I think that’s called pragmatism
The British and other thieves murderers and terrorists will never be able to compensate other people for their vast crimes if we’re here until doomsday. Of course if you do point out their vast history of criminality they stamp their feet like children. They expect non whites to just shut up and be grateful we allow them to live.
Slaverery in the past was the responsibility of those involved at the time and in the culture of that time. Not a yoke for the current wage slaves in Britain to bear as some perverse retroperspective PC.
25m seems a bit on the low side for a prison.
As for reparations …. have we ever billed Jamaica for the land that it’s people took from the UK? It’s not like the people that live there are native Jamaicans! So can the UK be compensated for loss of land … seems to me that they got the better part of the deal. Shame that in most part they haven’t made the most of it.
5 hours ago
Oh for heavens sake – lets move on people!
I doubt anyone wants to be moved back to the ‘start’
5 hours ago
While your about it Dave you could try for compensation from the rich Islamic States who took slaves from Europe,and indeed helped supply the slave trade from Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml
Now you’ve made a start, how about shifting all foreign prisoners back to the lands of their birth,to serve their sentences.Tougher jails in Poland etc I here.
on
5 hours ago
These sums don’t add up. I recently read that it in the UK it costs £119000 per new prison place. So, here a new prison for 1500 inmates would cost £178.5 million. In Jamaica according to this article it will cost £62.5 million. Surely the answer to our overcrowded jails is obvious? Send them all to Jamaica.
446. Posted by SimonM
We should sue the French for annihilating our culture in 1066!
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They weren’t French, they were Norman: French speaking, Danish Vikings.
And they made England into a powerhouse.
472. Posted by What A Big Hurricane
on 2 minutes ago
Makes good humanitarian & financial sense.
The wealth of the west was founded on slavery with the most unspeakable dreadful crimes against them. Some 12m suffered the most appalling dreadful deaths.Yup, we owe them a great deal.’
Slavery is still happening throughout Africa. I expect you’re really concerned about that, aren’t you?
I suggest that Mr Cameron hot foots it back to Europe so that he can immediately start to seek an apology and reparations from Italy, Scandanavia etc for their plunder of the UK, perhaps its a good opening gambit for the renegotiations on the UK’s place in the United States of Europe?
It has nothing to do with us what the conditions in the Jamaican prison conditions are like just deport the criminals we should not have to house and feed them .
If the Jamaicans are not happy with their lot, we could send them all a one way ticket to re patriate them to their ancestral homeland. The violent criminals didn’t care about the human rights of their victims. No doubt the do good lawyers will have a field day using bublic funds to try and stop the deportations when the time comes.
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5 hours ago
“AuntieLeft
Hopefully the UK will have extracted itself from ECHR by then”
You want the UK to join that bastion of freedom and democracy, Belarus, in being the league of states in Europe not signed up to an internationally recognised codification of human rights, then? If you think Belarus is the standard we should be adopting, you might consider moving there yourself.
5 hours ago
466. Posted by Hostamosta
The moderator is clearly a “descendant”
470. Posted by sorrysorrysorry
I’ve only just realised that your account is one purely of irony and sarcasm, apologies
472. Posted by What A Big Hurricane
They were given an island, that’s plenty
on
5 hours ago
As a low-paid taxpayer who would be expected to pay for the reparations I cannot see why I should be held responsible for something that happened centuries before I was born when my ancestors were landless peasants without a vote.
5 hours ago
So will we be executing those found guilty in Jamaica as part of our prison deal (they have capital punishment for aggravated murder) just as we will probably be executing the Saudi blogger due for beheading and crucifixion, as part of our mission to work with the biggest oppressor in the ME?
Got to love these human rights abusers when they line our pockets! Go MONEY!!
on
5 hours ago
So we are wasting £25m of my hard earned tax to build a Hotel (come on you know it will be nothing like the prisons currently over there) to house Jamaican Criminals that break the law in the UK? This is madness. Are we going to fund the building of hotels (prisons) all around the world too? I hope that money tree just keeps kicking the stuff out.
on
5 hours ago
Well at least we can see where all the money from all the cuts in the Uk are going.
At least Call Me Dave’s is nowhere near the world leaders’ discussion about Syria.
on
6 hours ago
There’s a Scottish ‘Slave-Owner’ family by the name of Cameron another family by the name of Sheffield who have received millions of ££££££££ in so-called REPARATION for the so-call ABOLITION of Slavery…FACTS – Check-it-OUT
£36k * 300 prisoners is a £10.8m saving a year. We’ll make the money back fairly quickly, as long as the prison quality doesn’t decline to the point we can’t send them back. Of course we’ll just refill the jail here anyway, so the saving is going to be nothing in the end. Maybe working on fixing outdated, punitive, drug laws is a better solution.
6 hours ago
Makes good humanitarian & financial sense.
The wealth of the west was founded on slavery with the most unspeakable dreadful crimes against them. Some 12m suffered the most appalling dreadful deaths.
Their descendants offered work white people refused to do only to endure racism & more suffering when they arrived.
Yup, we owe them a great deal.
Go raid the foreign aid budget, that’s where all the hand wringing, self loathing guilt money is kept
Yep, time for Britain/british to make a self- reflection regarding what you had done to other countries/their people in the past colonial time by saying sorrysorrysorry whenever these countries/people demand, just like Germany/Germans did to jew, pay proper reparations and return stolen treasures to where these items belong to….and then Britain/british can sleep in peace even without Trident
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Comment number 469. Posted by jw
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6 hours ago
Other countries were involved in the slave trade as well as Britain but we never hear of them being pestered for reparations. We don’t need ECHR. It has been incorporated into UK law anyway. Deport the criminals regardless and spend the money on a new UK prison so that we can lock up more low life criminals. Now that is money well spent – protecting our society.
Arabs enslaved Blacks.
Egyptians enslaved Blacks.
Blacks enslaved Blacks.
Any chance we can get compo off the Danes for what the Vikings did to us or maybe compo from the Italians for the Romans.
Move on people!
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6 hours ago
The profits from the Caribbean sugar/slave trade in the 17C/18C provided the capital to fund Britain’s industrial revolution and its empire. At around the time we abolished the slave trade, Britain imposed protectionist policies that ensured its industrialisation was protected from cotton fabric and other imports from India, ensuring it dominated trade in the 19C. We’ve all benefited from that.
on
6 hours ago
Lot of comments on here being removed today. Nothing to do with pleasing the stroppy, childish loony left is it?
on
6 hours ago
Well, I think that’s a good idea.
6 hours ago
Has anyone noticed that Cameron and his colleagues are using the Overseas Development Budget to pay for things that are politically expedient (Syrian refugees…deporting foreign criminals), while letting people think this may be new money? In other words they are plundering overseas aid by using it as a contingency fund. This is not what it is for – it should be alleviating world poverty!
on
6 hours ago
Look for a book called White Gold by Giles Milton.It describes how the arabs were just as bad in slavery including raiding England for white slaves.This isn’t justifying black slavery era by any means but different times and no should we be apologising for something that happened hundreds of years ago.Where do you stop?Germany,Vikings and so on.Do NOT give money to Jamaica to house their criminals
Hands up if you think they would actually go back?
What about their Yuman Rights?’
I bet they’ll find some nice taxpayer-funded legal aid lawyer to protect their ‘Right to a Family Life’
So the £25m will be a waste.
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Hopefully the UK will have extracted itself from ECHR by then and stopped this huge transfer of our money to ‘iffy’ lawyers
We have had enough
Comment number 460. Posted by Jim
on
6 hours ago
We civilised Jamaica. They should be grateful.
Wondering how much of the £25m will disappear in bribes though?
6 hours ago
We should pay reparations to Jamaica, after the Italians have compensated us for the Roman invasion, the Germans for the Saxons, the Danes for the, er, Danes, the Scandinavians for the Vikings, and the French for the Normans. And the French again for us having to take in the Hugenots whom they persecuted, and the Germans again for the Jews. Then the Syrians. After that, we’ll think about it
6 hours ago
If foreign nationals/people with duel citizenship commit a crime they should be deported, the jails they are sent to should not be a factor. The fact that many will not have a cushy time seems good: I am not concerned that they will not be able to do pen University course at tax payers expense, or have TV, games consoles.
So we pay millions to build a jail that’s acceptable: ridiculous.
6 hours ago
Since 1066 when the Normans enslaved my people we Anglo-Saxon ancestors have had to do the worst jobs for the worst pay and Cameron and he’s Norman overlords are still bleeding me white. I demand my millions! NOW!!! Freedom from the Norman Yoke!!!
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on
6 hours ago
Begging Bowl out again I see.
How about we charge them for giving them a country? I suggest its exactly the same as any reparations …. honours even.
6 hours ago
If it hadn’t been colonisation Jamaica and a lot of the other countries would still be living in grass huts and chewing roots and worshipping the sun. We owe them nothing and they have had many years of coming here to live and better themselves so all in all they are the gainers here. My ancestors in Britain working in the mines had it rough too so maybe the govt should compensate me as well.
6 hours ago
240. Posted by john
on
1 hour ago
Nobody in the UK gives a toss-just send them back to Jamaica!!
Human rights Act is rubbish
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Post of the day
HYS, troll heaven.
It appears that the Jamaican PM feels no sense of shame that so many of her countrymen are in our jails for committing heinous crimes! And then to have the brass nerve to bleat about slaves!Its just a ploy to try & extract money from us & should be ignored.Would she care to reimburse us for the
cost these crims have caused us? No? thought not.
on
6 hours ago
well about time too, send all I say the undesirable their.
They should be our satellite states…at least they get lots of foreign currencies they desperately need.
on
6 hours ago
Whatever your problems – our politicians will pay to sort it out for you.
Welcome to the UK the worlds cash cow.
6 hours ago
@407 1L19
” the industrial revolution was financed by the slave trade”
The first British industrialist, Josiah Wedgewood, was an ardent abolitionist. The most famous product of his production line was the medallion showing a chained slave with the legend “Am I not a man and a brother?” As he helped free people’s bodies, his grandson Charles Darwin freed people’s minds from creationism.
“I have risked my life in some Dagenham Deathtraps in the past”
Then report them to Trading Standards.
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I did. Bought a vintage Jensen with the compensation money.
421. triarius
Do we Brits get reparations from Italy for the much more brutal atrocities and slavery committed by the Roman Army
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Did the Romans fly the Italian flag? Then, yes.
Portugal was the first country to abolish slavery in 1761.
Britain only abolished slavery in 1833.
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But Britain continued to import cotton that was picked by slaves in the Americas for decades after. Nothing gets in the way of profit!
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Comment number 446. Posted by SimonM
on
6 hours ago
We should sue the French for annihilating our culture in 1066!
6 hours ago
Will the prison have beach front views & a private beach?
“Currently they cannot be sent to Jamaica because of fears that jail conditions in the country would allow a successful challenge under human rights law.”
…Eh..?
A Jamaica national, who breaks the laws in the country he visits, cannot be sent back there because of the conditions in the prisons from the country he has come from ????
how does that make sense..?
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6 hours ago
This is ridiculous. Are we going to build prisons all over the World just to deport foreign criminals whom commit crimes in the UK against UK citizens?
If you come to the UK you respect our laws but if you don’t you should feel the full force of your actions. Better still don’t do it.
That money would be better spent retraining the thousands of steel workers in redcar.
UK = MADNESS
418. Posted by Harold
Reparations would be fair, as long as the requirement for it is met. If these lot want to in the same situation as before slavery, then they can have their money and the UK reclaims the island it gave them.
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Comment number 441. Posted by tomtalk24
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6 hours ago
Ironic, building prisons as the prisons built by his ancestral past aren’t good enough. I guess the Cameron’s future line wont benefit as much from this as they did with slavery.
Money wont say sorry, but we and a good part of the world have a lot to justify with our nice house and cars, fridges full of food and opportunities if we try.
6 hours ago
Why are people ashamed of actions, policies and behaviors of people who lived 200 years ago. I am not ashamed, in the 21st century, we have a more enlightened and caring attitude. Why should I be ashamed of something over which I had no not part in. What is important is what we do and how we act today, that we have learned the lessons of the past, and sustain our commitment to overseas aid.
6 hours ago
Britain may not have a proud history with slavery, but we were certainly not the only nation involved in it and as a country suffered from it too (e.g. the Barbary raids along the south coast). When we came to our senses we also played a vital part in bringing it to an end. Now we can do our part by avoiding, where possible, products made in countries with near slave-like conditions (e.g. China).
on
6 hours ago
Quite ironic to offer to build a prison to house the descendants of slaves. The Tate could offer to furnish the wings with a mural or two.
ris
on
6 hours ago
Reparations?! So people not affected by events 300 years ago want financial payments from people who didn’t do anything? And reparations for what exactly, ensuring that a load of people now have a better way of life than they could possibly have hoped for otherwise? And surely they should be “repaired” by those who sold them, i.e. other African tribes?
6 hours ago
My great great great great great great great grandfather was hung drawn and quartered for stealing a sheep, I am totally traumatised, I wake in the night sweating, I have been diagnosed with ADHD, I cannot work, I cannot function socially, I have not been able to father more than 8 children as a result! It is all the fault of the rich whose ancestors owned the sheep. I demand compensation!
6 hours ago
“380. Posted by Commy Chef
Britain was the first country in the world to abolish slavery and all empires such as Egyptian, Greek, Roman, French and Spanish exploited slaves”
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Portugal was the first country to abolish slavery in 1761.
Britain only abolished slavery in 1833.
on
6 hours ago
The demanded reparations begins!
on
6 hours ago
Not matter how much people may want to, it is impossible to right the wrongs of history. We just have to accept the past and learn from it. As for the proposal to fund a prison in Jamaica I would want a cast iron guarantee that criminals would be returned and be no further drain on the UK economy. I’m pretty sure that Australia would not allow foreign criminals to remain in their country.
on
6 hours ago
I wonder how much of the £25 million will end up in the pockets of corrupt government officials? As for reparations for slavery, maybe they should go after the African slave traders who sold the slaves to the Europeans in the first place.
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6 hours ago
418. Harold
“Reparations for events 200 years ago are not”
“Your personal opinion, not your call”.
Look at the posts thus far – it’s an opinion shared.
“the hint of sarcasm there”
“Yeah, right”.
Touché.
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6 hours ago
328. Posted by Alaric the Visigoth
Does China have to abide by EU rules? They seem to have no difficulty supplying into the EU
6 hours ago
I agree with Cameron on this how can you ‘apologise’ for something that happened 200 years ago, that no one had any involvement in.
besides it’s not really about the ‘apology’ it’s about getting money out of the UK to a set of people who are not longer alive, and who descendants who are now Jamaican and don’t know any thing different
on
6 hours ago
Is Jamaica asking African nations for money for their role in the slave trade, I mean it was the African tribes who kidnapped and sold the slaves to the devil white man in the first instance.
on
6 hours ago
We could throw them off the white cliffs of Dover, a new type of reality TV show. Cheap, cost effective and entertaining…BAM
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Comment number 426. Posted by Billythefirst
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6 hours ago
Britain has abolished slavery and replaced it with zero hours contracts – that’s because we’re so forward looking and civilised.
Slavery is restricted to all those countries we export arms to and employees of companies like America’s Apple.
6 hours ago
Somewhere on my family tree there must be an ancestor or two who committed a heinous crime. Perhaps I should find out and pay compensation to the descendants of those victims.
I’m fed up with this culture of making us feel guilty for the past, the British for the empire, white people because it’s assumed we’re racist and men for simply existing. History, learn from it don’t be ruled by it.
6 hours ago
The govt. should be able to deport them immediately – but the many faces of the human rights laws, surfaces from the muddy waters again.
6 hours ago
We can’t turn back history and we owe the former colonies nothing except their freedom and a good old boot out the door. There is no comparing the modern era of telecommunications and mass transport and global industry with a remote epoch in centuries past. Part of the problem we have is wealth inheriting class from such times but it is better to directly overthrow them isn’t it?
Rest easy UK residents …
We all know that Ken Clarke, Simon Hughes, Chris Grayling and David Cameron were/are in control of UK Prisoners and our safety …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11899423/Prisoner-goes-on-the-run-and-checks-into-luxury-hotel.html
on
6 hours ago
Do we Brits get reparations from Italy for the much more brutal atrocities and slavery committed by the Roman Army? Historical apologies are meaningless. Remember the Harry Enfield “German” student that annoyingly kept insisting on apologising for his country and WWII? The real-world issue of obsessively apologist German culture now has managed to land Europe with a massive migrant problem!!!!!
239. theknightdefender
211 fuzzy
If human rights don’t to apply to all humans they’re not human rights at all.
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Human rights do not exist, save only those rights which any society confers upon itself. And any society is free to determine what those rights should be for its own members.
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Good point. But if rights don’t extend to “foreigners” they’re not human rights. Use another name.
on
6 hours ago
Does the Jamaican president know what life is like in UK for millions of citizens, regarding slavery.
In UK,poor parents can be fined/imprisoned for not sending their child to an atrocious FAILING school.
In UK, government dictates that unemployed people should work for less than is needed to live on
Millions in UK are economic slaves, with commercial enterprises profiting from it
378. Posted by Hereward
“Reparations for events 200 years ago are not”
Your personal opinion, not your call.
“with the same right to expression of view as you”
Which no one denies you
“the hint of sarcasm there”
Yeah, right.
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385. adiEU Muppets
The Vikings came from.. Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
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Is that what those countries were know as back then?
on
6 hours ago
Try and get a violent drug dealing criminal out of Jamaica to stand trial. Oh no they wont deport them to stand trial elsewhere encase they are not treated right, they just let them go so they can surround themselves with armed street thugs in a ghetto.
on
6 hours ago
That Rolf Harris can be sent back to Australia for a start.
on
6 hours ago
Hands up if you think they would actually go back?
What about their Yuman Rights?’
I bet they’ll find some nice taxpayer-funded legal aid lawyer to protect their ‘Right to a Family Life’ or to prevent “Cruel and Unusual Punishment” You know the thing, “it would be inhumane to deprive them of visits from their families”
And BINGO. They can stay here forever.
So the £25m will be a waste.
385. Muppets
The Vikings burnt our old house down in Northumberland – where is my money Norway?
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Surely you mean Denmark?
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The Vikings came from the Scandinavian countries of : Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
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The Vikings that invaded England came exclusively from Denmark. The Norwegians raided the coasts of Scotland, Ireland and the IOM. Check out the Anglosaxon Chronicles.
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Comment number 413. Posted by Baildon
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6 hours ago
This is an admission by the politicians that they cannot deal with stupid human rights law regarding foreign criminals & asylum
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56. RitaKleppmann
What country’s history is clean? Every society has been involved in slavery to varying degrees. You can’t pay reparations from people who are dead to people who are dead and if we are talking about institutions paying than the christian and islamic authorities better open their wallets and dig deep. What needs to be done is working towards an economically just world today.
6 hours ago
Sorry, can’t afford it. When Germany, France, Denmark and Norway cough up the goods for their past crimes over the last millennium we can slip you a few quid.
6 hours ago
It is clear that the moderator has links to those referenced here in this article, based on the rabid deleting of valid points that it does not agree with. ****
6 hours ago
Importantly, the problem is not just with Jamaica.
“Three Libyan soldiers jailed for sexually assaulting women are seeking asylum in the UK, police have said.
Khaled El Azibi, Ibrahim Naji El Maarfi and Mohammed Abdalsalam fled Bassingbourn Barracks and carried out the attacks last October.
Cambridgeshire Police said the men have been released from prison and were at secure immigration units.”
6 hours ago
For all who presume that the Slave Trade is ancient history – imagine if I entered your house and then forced you to work for me until I was very wealthy. Imagine if, after your death, my rich offspring (having benefited from my wealth) then abolished this slavery practice, and offered you job (working for them) and a dilapidated shed at the back of the garden as compensation. Imagine that…
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6 hours ago
386.Templar…divi, the industrial revolution was financed by the slave trade, an apology is pathetic, the past cannot be avoided when our “Greatness” is founded on this wealth! Read a history book before commenting on things you know nothing about!
6 hours ago
Jamaica is so obviously losing the battle against crime. Wouldn’t be better if we went over there and showed them how to run the country? We could do that with parts of the Middle East too, so we wouldn’t have to deal with all these immigrants because they could stay at home with things being run properly.
6 hours ago
With the £200m we give to India, who have its own space program, we could build lots of jails and send back these ‘not so nice chaps’ to the countries were they come from and belong to
We have had enough
If the loony left like these chaps, then let them live in their homes or their neighbourhoods
As much chance of that as Corbyn being elected
6 hours ago
3 Libyan soldiers who committed sex crimes in cambridge seeking asylum after 10 months in prison what is wrong with this country
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368. Posted by Hugh Oxford
“When India gained independence in 1947, it didn’t make the mistake of imagining that British people who happened to be born there were Indian citizens”
Any British people born there would have been a British subject not Indian at all. That was the case prior to 1949. British Nationality Act 1948 came into force 1949 but I will let you investigate that and since
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@366 Vamos Ye Azules
” No one alive today suffers because of slave trade.”
How I wish that was true. We have found what are effectively slaves in the UK in the last few years, some as servants to foreign residents, other illegally trafficed into prostitution and work gangs. A slave, whether legal or illegal, is still a slave.
6 hours ago
So lets get this straight, while the NHS is cutting the drugs available for treating cancer because of funding the government is happy to pump an obscene amount of money into building a prison for Jamaica……………….
What the hell is wrong with the politicians and senior civil servants in this country.
“Harold
Don’t we already?”
Not as far as anyone is aware.
“I have risked my life in some Dagenham Deathtraps in the past”
Then report them to Trading Standards.
If we left the EU why would we allow less safe cars on our roads? If we had stricter rules we could be imposing unfair trade barriers which would be reciprocated. Hence EU rules would apply whether we were in or out of the EU.
I am still waiting for an apology from the Italians for the Roman invasion and from the Scandinvians for Viking pillage and slave raids but I’m not holding my breath because as with the people involved in the slave trade the perpetrators died hundreds of years ago! So please quit whining about something that someone else did to someone else centuries ago – No apologies!
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Comment number 397. Posted by Phil
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Looks like we are giving the reparations. £300million? It would be so terrible if we could not afford to give this money away each year and had to increase taxes, borrow £100 billion a year and cut spending in our own country. I’m glad we have £11 billion to spend each year on foreign aid. And £6 billion on “climate change” in developing countries. Money well spent.
6 hours ago
The UN should build an International prison for the worlds worst prisoners,terrorists,paedophiles,rapists etc.It would idealy be in as inhospitable a place as possible where escape would be extremely difficult and the conditions inside the prison better than those outside.The Antarctic would be an ideal place countries would contribute to build the prison and staff it.
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Unlike thousands upon thousands of Africans, over the centuries, I have never owned, nor traded in, slaves.
Like millions of others, I have paid taxes in support of medical research which has resulted in huge advances. The lives of untold millions of Africans, over many decades, have been saved, as a result.
I’m a nice chap, so I won’t be asking Afro-Caribbeans for compensation.
Will the prisoners be allowed to spend exercise time on the beach and tending to the desires of British tourists that worship all things Bob Marley as community service rather than being forced to play multiple hours of Play Station in the UK?
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Comment number 393. Posted by farkyss
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Sounds sensible, what’s the big deal and why is it a HYS?
Why, just why?
On the basis that the Caribbean wants reparations for Britain’s involvement in the slave trade, should we not be seeking such reparations from Norway and Denmark for the slave trading of the vikings?
While we are at it, how about seeking reparations from the English for the rape, pillage and slaughter of the Welsh?
Stop looking for free handouts, and improve your own lives.
The liberal pc fraternity may do well to consider that USA decided that no compensation would be paid to slave owners resulting in a bloody civil war with many dead including ex slaves. When the wider and more considered view of the world is taken the pc liberal stupidity is set in stark relief. They need to read wider, deeper, and longer.
6 hours ago
Offering up our nuclear programme to the Chinese, paying for football coaching in the same country, building prisons and road networks in Jamaica.
Who does he think he is Santa Claus.
For goodness sake get this clown back in the country before he gives it all away.
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Reparations for the slave trade- here we go again. Which of the many African states are also being asked to pay reparations for the slave trade that they were complicit in and profited greatly from? Apart from Gabon- whose president sort of mumbled a ‘sorry’ at some point- I haven’t heard a single word from any of their governments nor, come to think of it, any requests that they do so.
How much are non dom tories costing Blighty? We should get Beaverbrook and the Barclay Brothers to conduct some in depth research – maybe publish an unofficial biography on Ashcroft – get that money grabbing Oakeshott girl to write it.
6 hours ago
Reparations
= unfortunately, voices for demanding reparations from the British former colonies are getting louder and louder in recent years whilst Britain is getting weaker and weaker. The largest voice I heard is from this excellent speaker
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Oh no you don`t understand.
This is the BBC where the only culturally acceptable position for contemporary white Europeans is prostate on the floor begging continuously for forgiveness for real and imagined slights committed by dead white European 200 years ago.
The Vikings burnt our old house down in Northumberland – where is my money Norway?
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Let’s cleanse this filth from our shores and spend the £25m in this country. Reparations? Ha! Jamaica has more chance of flying to the moon. Not one penny, zip, nada, diddly squat.
Just a minute…. This reparation idea is brilliant… What about reparation from Germany for all the damage caused in the blitz? what about reparation from the Irish replicans (I suppose Eire should shoulder that?), What about reparation from Islam for all the London bombings? What about reparation to the US for the twin towers? Vikings, Moguls, Normans, Attila the Hun.. the list is endless …
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@ 328. Alaric the Visigoth:
Will we ignore EU car and product safety rules if we left the EU?
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Don’t we already? I have risked my life in some Dagenham Deathtraps in the past.
Those who want money from the Vikings: have you asked them for it?
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Surely you mean Denmark?
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No no. His house was burned by Norwegian Vikings. Its up to Norway to claim compensation from Denmark for its vicious occupation.
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Comment number 380. Posted by Commy Chef
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The new prison in Jamaica could be used for tourists as this would be the only safe place to stay.
My friend worked on an engineering contract there a few years ago and he had to have an armed guard with him while carrying out the work in Kingston.
Britain was the first country in the world to abolish slavery and all empires such as Egyptian, Greek, Roman, French and Spanish exploited slaves
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355. Posted by horsforthmick
Because of the pathetic European convention on Criminals rights, thats why.
348. Harold
In response.
A) Precisely. Because it is significant and relevant to this country today. Reparations for events 200 years ago are not.
B) A British taxpayer and voter, with the same right to expression of view as you.
C) I would have thought your acute intellect would have noted the hint of sarcasm there….
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Comment number 376. Posted by parker
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‘re Johno007 326
I could not agree more. This is just a ploy to get us to fund a new prison for them. Their country is so crime riddled that their existing decrepit prisons are full. The question is why are we allowing these people into Britain? Sorry forgot the human rights flag is being waved. It looks like Jamaica thumbs its nose at HR, but we can’t send criminals back because of HR ! What.
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Slavery existed in many countries we actually helped to abolish it. As a developing country Im sure the UK will help Jamacia, however there is only so long you can use the past for to justify your current position. They need to move on and solve the issues they have today. As for the prison its a good idea building one here for 600 people would cost alot more than 25 million.
I cannot think of another country in the entire world who would offer to pay for prisons in another country for their nationals.
This is what 100 years of left wing liberalism has brought us to.
As a nation we’d need to grow a pair as the rest of the world is laughing at us.
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Whilst on the face of it this looks like a good news story, surely this solution ignores the actual underlying cause of the fact 600 Jamaicans (and probably thousands more foreign nationals) are in British jails and can’t be deported
The Human Rights Act, or more accurately Criminal Rights Act
If the Jamaican’s want compensation for taking them there I think they should be paying us for giving them the island, after all they are not indigenous. Maybe we should give them free passage back to Africa and we could have a nice holiday island.
281. Posted by Johno007
The Vikings burnt our old house down in Northumberland – where is my money Norway?
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Surely you mean Denmark?
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Comment number 369. Posted by Gammarus
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Has anyone done “they won’t be going of their own accord” yet?
When India gained independence in 1947, it didn’t make the mistake of imagining that British people who happened to be born there were Indian citizens, worthy of the same rights, freedoms and protections of actual Indians. It deported them.
Why do we make that mistake with foreign criminals born here?
why don’t you just deport them? if you don’t want to be deported and stay in the uk, be nice. don’t commit crime. simple as that. I am a foreigner working, paying tax and then behaving well… it is unfair to use tax payers’ money for that?
The reasons not to give an apology.
1 No one alive today is responsible for the slave trade.
2 No one alive today suffers because of slave trade.
3 The slave trade was no one’s big idea, it was simply a trade that grew out of all proportion, due to an economic boom for sugar and a natural immunity to malaria.
4 Britain played THE leading role in stopping it at HUGE cost to the tax-payer.
Wow! I didn’t realize Jamaica was in the EU – well, you learn something new every day on HYS!!!
And this is thanks to the European court of human rights rulings, would you like me to do you a drawing with crayons to explain it more ?
The European Court of Human Rights has NOTHING TO DO WITH the EU
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We shouldn’t have to worry about the cost of reparations – once we have received reparations for the Italians for slavery during the Roman empire, from the Germans for the Anglo-Saxon invasion, from the French for the Norman invasion, etc we will have plenty of money. I also believe we have invasions from Belguim during the stone/bronze/iron ages. Probably pay off he national debt as well.
One assumes that any Jamaican tax evaders will be afforded the traditional tory courtesy of an informal exoneration?
#352
Seriously, does that sound like an adult?
6 hours ago
So long as it doesn’t eat into the drones budget, I’m OK with it.
“Mr Cameron is also set to announce £300m of aid funding on infrastructure projects across the Caribbean, including roads, bridges and ports.”
I wonder how many of these projects are going to be contracted out to Tory non-dom donors and fellow old boys from Dave’s pig head days?
311. Posted by Megan
Yeah those Slaves should be really thankfulI, I mean how ungrateful are they. I don’t know my family tree either , could have been a victim as easily as a perpetrator. I do know that I live in country that benefited greatly from slavery and colonialism . Saying sorry for wrong deeds in the past is a rather insignificant gesture in the circumstances
6 hours ago
Several posts are justifying this Jamaican expenditure as saving the UK money??
That would be true, but the 600 spaces vacated in UK jails will quickly be filled as the fool in No10 is allowing 915 people to enter the UK every day.
I reckon the vacated jail cells will be re-occupied by more foreign criminals within a month.
The answer to Dopey Dave’s Dilemma is GET A GRIP ON THE BORDERS!
It costs the UK taxpayer £10m a year to accommodate criminals from Jamaica in UK jails
The £25m spent on UK firms building jails Jamaica will be fiscally good move and get these felons off our streets and out of our country and back to their own country
Good start, now how about Africa, Middle East, etc?
I hope the government understand, we have had enough of foreigners extracting the urine
Maybe certain families who gained their historical wealth & present wealthy elite powerful governing status in UK from their families historical commercial participation in the slave trade should be made to compensate.
The African slave trade was the outcome of unregulated commerce.
Is it a coincidence that the elite Tory party also seeks de-regulation of workers & human rights.
No
Reparations should be made by paying for housing and transport of the descendants of slaves back to wherever in Africa their forebears were transported from, this would then leave Jamaica ready for recolonisation by the indigenous Arawak.
I am sure that there are many things in Jamaica that are not up to british standards, hospitals and schools for a start, so why are we wasting money on criminals
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Another example of crazy “human rights” laws costing the tax payer money.
As for reparations. Should the UK claim against Italy for the Roman invasion? Or Norway for the rape and pillaging of the Vikings? It’s history, move on and stop the self indulgent self pity.
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No doubt Labour would let them stay here and give the £25 million to Jamaica.
Because Labour are traitors that hate Britain.
Human rights nonsense needs to end. Being cosy in prison is not a human right. Food, water, basic sanitation and safety. Nothing else.
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Comment number 351. Posted by MF
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324. ‘there are many things in our past I’m ashamed of.’
Why are you ashamed? Was it your fault? There is not a single person alive who was involved in the UK slave trade – should we blame their descendants for mistakes made by them? When someone commits a crime, do we penalise their children, their grandchildren for their crimes?
We should not apologise for mistakes made by our ancestors.
Reparations ?! Insane idea , they owe us for the drugs and crime they have exported here !
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Comment number 348. Posted by Harold
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271. Hereward
Our membership of the EU is an “issue”.
Paying reparations for something that happened over 200 years ago is not an “issue”.
But please, don’t let the ramblings of an elderly peon…
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A) Yes, and guess what – we’ll have a referendum on the EU.
B) Maybe not an issue to you, but who are you.
C) ‘Elderly”? yeah, right. Trying to garner sympathy, eh. Cheap.
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Oh the selective history comments from the British hating contingent on here. So, the Vikings owe us, the Romans owe us, The raiding parties from the Carribean owe us….. or do we be adults & put it down to history, which to be honest, when you look at it, it is filled with nastiness. To learn from history is great, to try & profit from it is purile!
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Comment number 345. Posted by Jim
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I certainly see no problem with using foreign aid budget to improve conditions in foreign jails and thus help modernise these countries while also solving a difficult problem for us. Its certainly better than seeing the money fall into the hands of corrupt officials.
Having spent time with family in Jamaica and seeing the real island (not the tourist version) I’m honestly struggling to see how building a single prison will cost £25m. If you said £2.5m I’d still be surprised. Given the massive levels of corruption in the country it’s not difficult to imagine where most of the money’s going to end up.
I am sorry but I just don’t get it. 300 million for infrastructure including roads. Hang on a minute as anyone driven on our roads recently? They are in a shocking state and the councils have not got the money to fix them. Come on Government start spending some money at home instead of giving it away to other countries.
Perhaps the BBS will “approve” this comment:
“Why can’t Jamaica pay for their own road networks?”
Very good idea that this comes out of the foreign aid budget. It is money that effectively was already committed to be spent on people other than British citizens and means a long term saving to the taxpayer. I assume though that a government department will be responsible for some kind of assurance program to ensure the prison is kept up to standards that meet human rights legislation.
328. Alaric the Visigoth
247. roller
“If we leave Europe ,we will not have to obey europes laws”
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“Will we ignore EU car and product safety rules if we left the EU?”
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In the light of recent events this doesn’t help your argument.
I vote out
I always wondered why you were called U6404615.
You do realise because the BBC has listed your number rather than the pseudonym all that you say can be trawled through Google. Sinister or am just old and crusty?
I guess your pseudonym is really very non pc. Big Brother can be such a pain in the ….
“We abolished slavery itself in 1833”
And slaves actually became free in 1838 and Britians country’s wealthiest families received the modern equivalent of billions of pounds in compensation after slavery was abolished for loss of their “property”. A fifth of rich Victorian got all or part of the wealth from the slave trade, including Cameron’s family
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It’s amazing how all of Britain’s problems are immigration related, Packed houses, prisons, hospitals, job centres, dentists and all for a mere 52 million pounds a day membership to be dictated too by a German crazy women.
you’d have thought our politicians whould have clicked onto that by now.
All foreign nationals that commit crimes in this country should be deported and made to serve their sentence in their homeland irrespective of the political situation and human rights record.
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320. Posted by Bill Walker
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@269 Peter_Sym
We abolished slavery itself in 1833 (the U.S. in 1865)American flagged, which led to threats of war, force through their own bill in 1803.
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Threats were just that. Given an 1802 war would have been purely naval and how the US fared in 1812 after actually building a navy it would have been a very one sided war.
Well if Jamaica, whose current inhabitants have never suffered the ignominy of slavery, expect the UK to pay reparations for something that happened over 200 years ago, then we should go after Jamaica for reparations for the criminal acts committed by their citizens in the UK and demand repayment of all the aid we have given them over the last 50 or so years.
When our government tells us that uncontrolled mass immigration is a positive for the indigenous population of UK, do they take things like this into account?
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So let me get this straight – We are building a prison in another country because their own prisons are not up to the job. Does that mean we now have to do this with every country in the world who prison systems are not up to a reasonable standard? You couldn’t make it up.
Jamaica is only a couple of hundred miles from the US coast, the biggest market in the world. If you couldn’t make a success of things with such a big market on your doorstep then don’t look at anyone else to blame for your own failures.
BBC – I think you have the opinion of the British people.
If not then you are not reading these comments.
We Brits also have human rights.
Yes, some of the prisoners may be natives being deported to their home country, but there won’t be enough to fill the prison. When you look at it, Jamaica is getting a free, top grade 25 million pound prison made for it. Coupled with the “£300m of aid funding on infrastructure projects across the Caribbean”, which Jamaica will benefit from, it’s basically reparations through building projects.
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“247. roller
If we leave Europe ,we will not have to obey europes laws”
So, you want to stop exports to the EU single market then? If exporters don’t comply with EU rules, they can’t sell products there. Being in the EU the presumption is exporters DO obey them. Outside the EU exporters have to prove it, adding costs and delays. Will we ignore EU car and product safety rules if we left the EU?
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£25 Million sounds a lot – you could rebuild most of Jamacia for that much. How many prisoners are they planning to house and is it just for those being returned or will they fill it with locals and say it is full so none can be sent back. You have to be ahead of these dodgy people.
6 hours ago
Have Jamaicans got something wrong with them to make them so violent and antisocial?
284. Posted by dullaz
Mainly because we have very dirty hands when it comes to slavery. I don’t agree with reparations in this instance because where do you stop ? I do find the tone on here worrying though. I am proud of being British but there are many things in our past I’m ashamed of . I don’t see apologising for these as weakness but a strength.
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‘OH well, that’s £25 million that won’t benefit the people here.’
Of course it will benefit us in the long term, how much do you think it will cost to keep those 600 Jamaicans in our jails? A lot more than £25m certainly. This is one spend by the Tories that makes a bit of sense.
I hope they also ask for cash from the African tribal leaders who captured and sold the slaves to the slave traders. Slavery (not unique to being black), is evil, and has been since it was first recorded over 10,000 years ago. Jamaica has a poor economy, unemployment and crime, this is just their government using a race card in the hope of finding funds to make up for decades of corruption.
Good idea. We need to get them away from here, away from Europe. I could think of a number of countries who would benefit from a UK financed prison, and I would not worry too much about the rights of some of the monsters who are committing crime here. Not yer usual British criminals…-
@269 Peter_Sym
We abolished slavery itself in 1833 (the U.S. in 1865), but we outlawed the slave trade in 1802, and set up a West African navy patrol to intercept the slave ships. Some of the ships were American flagged, which led to threats of war, but luckily there were enough like minded people in Congress to force through their own bill in 1803, against the objections of the southern states.
All foreign criminals should be deported regardless of the jail they’ll be serving in. In fact, the tougher the better as far as I’m concerned.
Criminals here have it easy. Punishment? I think not. Trying to make ends meet in this country having not committed a crime is punishment.
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Oh gawd, yet again the rational are having to explain the distinction between ECHR and EU to the flat earth flat tax knuckle draggers of Tea KIP.
What is the punishment for pig bothering in Jamaica…..just curious.
I love it! the more rubbish ideas Cameron has, the more conservatives with functioning brains will switch to UKIP.
Stick with it Dave, the way you are going you will be left with only your crony-elites, vested-interests, bankers, buy-to-leters and a few other dubious folks supporting you.
This makes sense. If it costs the UK £37,000 a year per prisoner x 300 sent back to Jamaica = £10,800,00.The prison would pay for itself in just over two years. It would also save the cost of deportation after their sentence is complete and stop them from claiming asylum and a “right to a family life” many foreign prisoners claim as per the human rights act.
OK. So the prison is built. But who would have the responsibility of ensuring that prison doesn’t deteriorate to the same level as existing prison? Presumably the Jamaican authorities couldn’t transfer the prisoners out either? And what happens if that prison’s conditions worsen. The UK to build another prison?
Watch out… this race to the bottom is fraught with danger!
Prisoners Abroad a UK charity for the welfare of British prisoners held in foreign prisons is right now supporting over 1,200 people in more than 85 countries.
You may get back more than you bargained for and will need to build more than just the one prison.
Populism leads to stupid decisions…
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No UK taxpayer’s money should be given towards foreign prisons. Repatriate all foreign convicted criminals adapt to serve their sentences at the expense of their home country. If our prisons were more like Gulags than hotels offenders would think twice before commuting a crime.
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I see no reason to apologise for the actions of past slavers (who don’t seem to be in my family tree, now back to the 1500s, anyway) until the descendants of said slaves publically thank William Wilberforce and other abolitionists who flew in the face of public opinion to end the slave trade!
Reparations for slavery?
Taking that logic further would see the UK insisting that Italy makes reparations for the brutality our citizens suffered under the Roman occupation.
After all; what did the Romans ever do for us? (sorry)
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208 beau888
Awkward for Cameron considering both he and his wife are descended from slave owners
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So we are now going not only to regress the UK’s past for liability but regress so far that we will return to the medieval practice of crucifying someone because 300 yrs ago they happened to be related to someone who did something legal that we now find morally reprehensible?
How is that news?
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Comment number 307. Posted by Hereward
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294. Harold
Many thanks. Please rest assured that I will be anticipating your next posted idea with unbridled anticipation.
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if I was a Jamaican criminal then England would look a good place to commit crime.
soft sentencing and comfortable prisons with a legal system to protect my human rights, and now, in the unlikely event that I am caught and imprisoned, a free flight back to Jamaica to serve my term in a very nice new prison in the sun.
happy days but not much of a deterant
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There are 12,000 foreign nationals in our prisons so hardly surprising that the jails are overcrowded is it?If money can be found to build a jail in Jamaica then money should be found to quadruple the Border Force & give
them real clout to find & deport illegals +robust passport checks so the crims
are barred from entry into UK.With the invasion of Europe this should be paramount.
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Reparations. So this would mean that the great great great great grandchildren of the slave traders would need to compensate the great great great great grandchildren of the slave victims. How about sending people to prison for the murders committed by their great great great great grandparents ?
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Comment number 299. Posted by x15
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The Jamaican government should be paying reparations to the UK for not taking in those that commit crime in the UK but cannot be deported. Jamaica is responsible for Jamaicans. The silly liberal pc brigade are quite a problem to the world of logic.
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I think it is an BIG insult that the first official visit by this British Prime Minister to Jamaica is used to endorse the Age-old falacy of JAMAICAN CRIMINALITY. Us Caribbean people who have lived in the UK since the sixties have been unjustly STIFFLED, CRIMINALISED, and CRIPPLED by the unjust stigma of: WEST INDIAN MUGGERS, THEIVE
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10. blinny wrote:
“If we are going to go back hundreds of years then I want reparations from the Italian government for the Romans that made slaves of my British ancestors.”
Why stop at the Italians? Sue the Afriicans and Afro-Caribbeans too. Britons were enslaved by them long before what we know as “The Slave Trade” took place. We were even ruled over by an African – Septimius Serverus.
OH well, that’s £25 million that won’t benefit the people here.
Austerity? What austerity? The government seem to be able to fritter money away at a whim.
“If we leave Europe ,we will not have to obey europes laws”
A point of information – the European Convention on Human Rights is quite separate from the EU. We could secede from either if these and still be a member of the other. I would be quite happy to leave both, since they are both dysfunctional and not fit for purpose. I think that was the point you were trying to make.
231. Hereward
But please, feel free to share another of your clever ideas with us.
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When I have time I will think of a solution for you to trigger a thought process that helps you organise your thoughts so that you find it less of a challenge expressing them in a concise, clear manner and won’t be limited by in 400 characters. That will help both you and other posters on HYS.
Mr Cameron is also set to announce £300m of aid funding on infrastructure projects across the Caribbean, including roads, bridges and ports. -bbc
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and if you take a look at the 3rd photo, it seems Jamaica’s Prime Minister Portia Simpson-Miller was saying: thanks my dear I wish to……call me Dave!, please…humhumhum
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We should broker arrangements with as many countries as possible to have foreign criminals serve their sentences in their home countries, that way they can be visited by their families, it will act as a deterrent to anyone thinking of breaking the law, and we will be well rid of them! and i don’t care what kind of hell hole they end up in.
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Comment number 290. Posted by Riggadon
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In order to have Human Rights(tm), you must first prove that you are a human being and that means being civilized. If you aren’t a civilized human then you’re on shaky ground asking for rights.
But then, I made my peace a long time ago with the fact that a lot of so called humans have no shame and will try it on anywhere.
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@ 52 Tornado
The point is that we should be spending £0 per year, as these 600 FOREIGN i.e. not British criminals should be extradited to their country of origin.
THINK, before you post.
If a criminal is not British – deport them. I don’t care if it breaches their ‘human rights’ – what about ‘rights’? I don’t believe ‘Human Rights’ exist, anyway.
If the criminal is British, it should be clink, bread and water and labour.
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I WILL NOT be held liable for the “sins” of my ancestors (not that mine were rich enough to be making money off slaves) If anyone has direct proof of x being involved they should go after the proceeds from their ancestors like people do those who too war loot from the Nazis!
Why should those who were not involved pay up because these countries can’t manage themselves?
Jamaican Prime Minister Portia Simpson-Miller said she had raised the issue in talks, but Mr Cameron told reporters that financial reparations were “not the right approach”.
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“More than 600 Jamaican nationals are in UK”
I think Jamaica owes the UK an apology for all the UK victims of crime committed by Jamaican Nationals. These people should be deported and never allowed back.
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Comment number 282. Posted by thevillager
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No uk taxpayers money given to any foreign country unless it is to pay for goods or services but give them the full bill for having to put their criminals through the British legal system and the total cost of keeping them in our prisons plus the cost of sending them back home never to return. If foreign prisons are not up to human rights standards that is their problem not ours.
The Vikings burnt our old house down in Northumberland – where is my money Norway?
why is jamacia and others not paying the cost and reparations to the UK for the COST’s courts etc and damage that thier citizens have done in the UK, and as 273 stated others as well. Why should I be paying
now being run by clowns for their self gratification.
We can afford 25m for building a prison in Jamaica – why not in a Muslim country to house all the child grooming gangs with our cities and towns?
Also why not “donate” a similar amount to provide NICE with the funds to provide the cancer treatment drugs needed in this country to move the UK up the world treatment table.
If you can’t do the crime (in a Jamaican jail) then don’t do the crime!!
It’s clearly not fair they get a British prison but without the British weather.
Basically what we have here is a metallic Butlins without the rain.
I don’t have a problem with this providing it comes out of the Foreign Aid Budget and that any criminals that are deported are barred from entering the UK again for ever.
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Comment number 274. Posted by captainswing1
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Sometimes when I read about all this Human Rights crap you just want to down a cup of warm bleach !
Can we also build prisons in Poland, Nigeria, Libya etc and the homelands of all foreign criminals in UK prisons? Repatriate the lot of them and have a lifetime block on their return .
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Comment number 270. Posted by MF
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Typical BBC – stick a race story on the back of something which clearly isn’t.
If we, as a larger society, start to look at reparations for past crimes, how far does it go? Invasions and slaves have been made of us all – does the world apologise to everyone? Britain, like many other countries, has nothing to apologise for.
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220. Posted by sorrysorrysorry
everyone in the world knows the misery of “british slave trade”, very few people know slave trades by other countries.
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You mean like the use of slaves by China? It was a million died building the great wall alone wasn’t it?
BTW the slave trade continued in the US for 60 years after Britain abolished it. I suspect even you have heard of the US civil war?
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Comment number 268. Posted by Billythefirst
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Another silly small topic when yesterday’s Corbyn thread was chopped after 5 hours.
By all means have a thread on the damage inflicted on the prison system by that buffoon Grayling and the lunacy of letting Gove loose on it OR a thread on the real criteria behind aid policy.
Here’s a challenge – see if you can do a thread that’s not ultra insipid but still doesn’t get hijacked by UKIP.
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Comment number 266. Posted by Diddleypete
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Good! But no doubt the frothing mouthed flaccid lefty/libs will try to apportion blame anywhere other than where it should be apportioned. The amount of black crime, especially in London is staggering. OK not all of them are Jamaican, but it is a start. Even Diane Abbot acknowledges black crime needs to be rectified, especially as most of it is violent black on black (check her website!)!
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Comment number 265. Posted by Bill Walker
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As I understand it the deportees are not tortured or starved in Jamaica, just deprived of the cushy cells with TV, good food, and first rate gym facilities of the average British “penal” institution. For some reason unknown to the British do-gooders, other countries treat robbers, muggers, and rapists as if they were criminals, and we can’t allow that, even if it means spending millions, can we?
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Comment number 263. Posted by Oldcat
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Why £10m a year to prevent deterioration? Would the local authorities not care about this facility?
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@224. Posted by Ebony Warrior
UK may get more back than they deport.. don’t forget sex offenders in Asia!
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Most of the sex offenders are in our home towns like Rochdale & Rotherham.
I won’t mention where the vast majority are from or the luvvies will be crying racism.
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Comment number 259. Posted by Harold
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@ 231. Hereward:
I see no reason why this country should hold a referendum on the payment of reparations.
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As I said, because it would close the issue once and for all. If the answer were “No”, it would stop any country from ever asking again. Do you need everything spelled out to you? I don’t have the time for that, I am busy hatching other clever solutions.
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“Keeping the 780 Irish prisoners in England and Wales costs the British taxpayer something in the region of £27m annually. If they are repatriated, it will put great strain on the already over-crowded prison regime in Ireland.“Given the unique relationship between the UK and Ireland, and the logistics of the Common Travel Area, we do not routinely consider Irish nationals for deportation…”
West Africa has been exporting slaves since Roman times
Yes we were. I don’t need your acknowledgment. Just look at the abolishin of slavery act 1807.
It was over 200 years ago now, get over it.
Or continue living your life bitter and twisted about the past.
I honestly don’t care but you won’t be getting a dime from me or an apology from me for something my ancestors did.
Hasn’t our wonderful former PM and current peace envoy, Mr. T. Blair, not already apologised to all an sundry for something that happened a long time ago and has no influence at all on anybody alive today?
“just send them back to there country and let them rot”
I don’t think they can just be sent back if their human rights might be violated.
Building a comfy prison creates a deportation loophole, better relations with Jamaica and gives the illusion that Dave is doing something about the immigration crisis.
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When does enough time need to pass before citizens of today can stop blaming people of the past for the current position? As an Englishman can I ask for money or an apology from France, Italy or Scandinavia for their previous atrocities on my ancestors. I am sure I can be ‘insulted’ if I try hard enough.
so how many of these poor displaced refugee’s washing up on the shores of Europe from Africa have the caring Jamaican government offered to take in ?
Calls for reparations are BEGGING
Jamaica should have more self-respect
@63 Hack Toff
The cynic in me suspects that grossly overpaid human rights barristers will block all modicum of common sense.
Quite. I have long been of the opinion that the single biggest threat to the safety, security and well being of the people of this Island, is the Legal Profession.
Jamaica is third highest in the list of foreign countries with nationals serving prison sentences in the UK.
Almost 70% of the Jamaicans in prison in Britain are serving sentences for violence and drug offences.
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Laughable! If a senior police officer publicly mentioned this & dared to suggest the reason why, he’d be slammed as racist & accused of targeting certain ethnic groups.
Apologies so many generations after whatever the event in history are part of reverse imperialism. The liberal pc fraternity need to consider world history. Be good and move on. I am not culpable in any way for the actions of my grandfather. To extend the logic we merely have to substitute the singular to the plural and time to the infinite. We do not apologise for history.
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That is the “European” human rights law.
If we leave Europe ,we will not have to obey europes laws.
As for trade,we buy things from china etc.Nothing do do with being in the eu.
We should not be spending this money and should simply deport them.
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#224 Ebony Warrior
@8 “send them back if you know their origin”
“what happens when a Brit commits a crime abroad and receives a sentence different to UK law?
“life without the possibility of parole” – “personal use of drugs in parts of Asia” – “topless sunbathing” etc
UK may get more back than they deport.. don’t forget sex offenders in Asia!”
The UK already does – so what is your point?
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Once again caring more about the ‘human rights’ of those who clearly don’t acknowledge the human rights of others, while thousands are homeless on our streets through no fault of their own.
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Comment number 243. Posted by MightyScotsPine
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220. sorrysorrysorry
Why are you calling it the British slave trade ? Is that some kind of bias. I think you will find that black people were being sold into slavery by other black people in West Africa long before Europeans arrived. The Arabs, Spanish and British were involved in the slave trade but you really need to look at those selling them into slavery.
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Comment number 241. Posted by Hugh Oxford
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Insane. Have the British public not suffered enough as a consequence of indiscriminate immigration?
Nobody in the UK gives a toss-just send them back to Jamaica!!
Human rights Act is rubbish
211 fuzzy
If human rights don’t to apply to all humans they’re not human rights at all.
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Human rights do not exist, save only those rights which any society confers upon itself. And any society is free to determine what those rights should be for its own members.
A global standard is nice but how many societies agree or conform?
So another case of “foreign” Aid coming straight back to british companies is this not a win win?
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198.MakeItStop
How about “put them on the next flight home”.
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Where’s the deterent or punishment there?
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We’ll make them fly with Ryan Air.
Officials say the foreign aid-funded deal could save UK taxpayers £10m a year when transfers begin in 2020
Thats if Jamaica doesnt decide to refuse, unless UK pays for Camerons families slavery profits
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Comment number 234. Posted by ovalball
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Turns out that the Cameron’s wealth came from slave owners
Obviously they were “hard working” slave owners.
Whipping your serfs is very hard work
It seems for Cameron old habits die hard
Slave trade ended years ago, but its consequences didn’t and why weren’t reparations paid a long time ago, except to slave owners including ancestors of Cameron, and that money(worth millions now) trickled down through time
to him. Cumberbatch’s family were one of the UK’s wealthiest with a stately home and paid for him to go to Harrow. Go to the City of London to see where else the proceeds went
Someone said that Cameron is a decendent of slave ownwers. Well. I’ve heard that Jeremy Corbyn is a direct decendent of Vlad the Impaler!!
216. Harold
I see no reason why this country should hold a referendum on the payment of reparations. Unless you derive pleasure in seeing the country return a resounding”no” vote.
But please, feel free to share another of your clever ideas with us.
Is building a prison a proper use of the Government aid budget. It would not have even occurred to me that building a prison to let the UK deport prisoners is AID to the developing world.
@ 201. Posted by Riggadon
So how do you suggest we can retain our country and our culture?
181. Posted by WhoamI
“Er, we have! Human Rights Act 1998”.
Then this current version needs revising! It’s not fit for purpose – only favours criminals and foreigners in the UK illegally. This Act is a godsend for anyone other than UK native population. Set up no doubt with the guidance of minority lawyers not interested in representing the indigenous population.
Surely repatriating foreign convicts will ease the pressure on our own prisons. My only concern is whether our border control is robust enough to ensure they are never able to return!
Goodness, there is so much anger and resentment in your contributors comments, I wonder how many really understand the need to help other countries. Giving aid whether building a prison or other infrastructure, can only be for making a fairer more equal world.
Compensation? How about taking them back to Africa from whence they came – seems to me they don’t know a good thing when they see it.
8. flipmode .. “send them back if you know their origin”
Anybody see a spectacular own goal coming… what happens when a Brit commits a crime abroad and receives a sentence different to UK law?
“life without the possibility of parole” – “personal use of drugs in parts of Asia” – “topless sunbathing” etc…
UK may get more back than they deport.. don’t forget sex offenders in Asia!
217.sengmand
Perhaps that’ll pay to have the entire caribbean population repatriated to Africa then everyone would be happy.
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Speak for yourself you massive pr!ck
206.Baildon
You, like many on here and some Tory MPs (and even Ministers in the Justice department), have misconceptions about Human Rights. Human Rights apply to all humans, not just those you or they happen to approve of. They are there to protect US ALL from the arbitrary power of the state. The state provides us all protection from each other via the Criminal and Civil laws.
So we’re paying to build other country’s prisons now?…although it will save money in the long term, if there prisons are holes just send them back to there country and let them rot
The British just came along with a navy..Africans… slaves.
The British were the first to abolish it!
==No, you were NOT!, read the world (not just european) history book. But, the point I want to make here is everyone in the world knows the misery of “british slave trade”, very few people know slave trades by other countries. Ironically, our PM wants to build a prison there
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Surely it’s Jamaica who are breaching human right laws if their prisons are unfit to hold prisoners. And for them to demand money from us for mistreating their citizens hundreds of years ago. Anyone else think this is ironic.
Can we chase reparations from African nations for selling captives and citizens to slavers? Perhaps that’ll pay to have the entire caribbean population repatriated to Africa then everyone would be happy.
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Comment number 215. Posted by feedtheworld
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Foreign AID is investment, its use to AID our foreign policies, this is not the whole story and you won’t get the real reason here.
e.g Cameron donates AID to few African countries so that they could change their laws on Gay rights, some did not take the AID, some did, sometimes it allow UK companies get businesses or support us in UN votes, etc. 1000s of UK companies rely on foreign AID budget
An EU deal on the compulsory repatriation of foreign prisoners in Britain to their home territories will not include some 780 Irish prisoners in jail in England and Wales. Irish prisoners are the second-largest foreign contingent in jails in England and Wales. The Polish are the largest group, with over 1,000 prisoners as of Feb 2014. Why start with Jamaica? Bias, unfairness, good weather maybe?
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So what if they face problems in jail in Jamaica its their choice to commit crimes here. Get rid of the lot back and stop using ‘human rights’ as a shield to keep all kinds of scum in UK jails at our expense, not just Jamaicans.
All the dogooders can go live on an island with all the scum and live happily ever after if they love supporting the rights of those who dont really deserve any..
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This is a nice way to deport someone..
They do their time and then they are released into their native country.
I will wait to see the first legal challenge and if we win that, then lets build them around the world and send people the nearest location to their homeland.
I would love to know the % of foreign nationals in our prison system…
Last figure I see was in 2013 a rise from 8% to 14%.
181. WhoamI
We are hobbled by ECHR. We need to have our own UK Human Rights Act that serves and protects the population of the UK.
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If human rights don’t to apply to all humans they’re not human rights at all.
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How about “put them on the next flight home”.
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Where’s the deterent or punishment there? If all we do is send Jamaican drug mules straight back to Jamaica they don’t even need to buy a return ticket when they set off smuggling!
Personally I’d make them spend every single day of their sentence in Dartmoor or Peterhead freezing cold THEN deport them home.
“cannot be sent to Jamaica because of fears that jail conditions in the country would allow a successful challenge under human rights law”
Logically then the UK should be changing human rights law rather than wasting £25M of taxpayers money. Who cares what happens to foreign criminals after they have been deported? As for asking for compensation for the slave trade, I assume this was a joke?
Awkward for Cameron considering both he and his wife are descended from slave owners.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10049913/How-Samantha-Camerons-ancestor-received-fortune-after-slavery-was-banned.html
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Good in theory but I wonder how many deportations will be blocked if the prisoners have relatives in this country. I also wonder how much of their sentence they would actually serve in Jamaica. I can imagine that through threats, bribery, pressure to use that jail for more serious domestic cases, or just incompetence, many would gain their freedom within weeks – and be back in the UK soon after.
There can be no solution until the Human Rights Act as interpreted by the Euro Court & our Judges is amended to give the rights of innocent UK citizens pre-eminence
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People really need to stop all of this nonsense about reparation. The slave trade ended in 1807. That’s 208 years ago! If there were people still alive that directly suffered as a result of slavery, then they deserve some form of compensation, but there are not and so let’s put this one to bed once and for all.
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So they are willing to pay £25 million to a foreign country to build a prison but yet they won’t spend money on our prison system to build new ones over here to ease the pressure on the our prisons, how does that work?
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173. Posted by Dancer
“shouldn’t be at the expense of the British taxpayer,”
So where did the £25m come from DC, the magic money tree?
If these people are crooks, then send them back, if the jail is tough, tough, shouldn’t have done the crime.
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If our courts then block it on HR grounds we cant. Hence the jail. 10m a year on their prisoners, 2.5 years the investment will pay for itself.
Cameron is not serving a full term as PM. Maybe the “men in grey suits” should tell him to take his gardening leave sooner rather than later.
He is rapidly becoming an embarrassment to our country.
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@153. Posted by Dave Hedgehog
I walked past Brick Lane the other day and was immediately transported into another country.
Why does the Royal Family or the Rothschilds not do anything about this?
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Who do you think did it? The people in Brick Lane are going to be cheaper to employ than you. Thats whats going on, we are being phased out.
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Comment number 200. Posted by chrisk50
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Just deport them, I bet they had no sympathy for their victims, why should we have sympathy because of the appalling conditions of Jamaican jails.
It’s probably what they deserve anyway.
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Comment number 198. Posted by MakeItStop
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How about “put them on the next flight home”.
The way this country wastes money on other peoples’ problems is baffling/infuriating at times.
Adam Curtis explains it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8uLjRHPM
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Comment number 196. Posted by Vaduz
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Is it any wonder that this country will move increasingly to the right. Too much concern for the ‘rights’ of others. How much concern did the ‘70% violence and drug related’ offenders show for their victims in Britain?
Come to Britain – the softest nation in the world. Commit heinous crimes – 50/50 get caught – laughable sentence -then home (subject to appeal) but only if its nice enough.
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Not so clear cut as the left would make us believe….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
By all means build a jail in Jamaica but to Jamaican standards. Then make sure that none of the prisoners can ever set foot in UK again.
As for reparations for the slave trade; would they like to be sent back to Africa too?
We don’t get it with the ECHR do we? Everyone else does what suits them, gets a stiffly worded letter from ECHR and a “slap on the wrist” trifling fine which they may or may not pay.
We are anxious that poor darling Jamaican crims may have a rough time in the nick if sent home and cough up £25m which would have been far better spent on any number of “home” projects.
179. Harold
My my, we are tetchy this morning, aren’t we….your original post inferred that many on here didn’t see anything wrong with the slave trade. My post was an attempt to highlight the absurdity of the idea of paying reparations some 200 years later. I do apologise for the poor English used – I sometimes find it difficult to articulate what I want in 400 characters.
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seem to see Cameron every where these days but never down on the farm any more I wonder why ?
the UK media is all about grooming
whether that is silly stories about prisons in Jamaica or some other nonsense
Just keep distracting the children with nonsense
and the will soon forget about how shall I put David’s little indiscretion
181. Posted by WhoamI
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We are hobbled by ECHR. We need to have our own UK Human Rights Act that serves and protects the population of the UK. Foreigners must know this – if they come here illegally or act illegally they will be deported immediately.
Er, we have! Human Rights Act 1998.
Our biggest mistake was turning our back on the Commonwealth and joining the EU. If we were still apart of an established Commonwealth I’d have no problem with this money been spent as I’m sure as strong as the Commonwealth would have been today we’d be much better of than been within the EU. However, that been said if we’re not part of the CW then we shouldn’t be fronting this money!
the Jamaicans already have had more than adequate compensation – we gave them Jamaica.
@153. Posted by Dave Hedgehog
I walked past Brick Lane the other day and was immediately transported into another country.
Why does the Royal Family or the Rothschilds not do anything about this?
Wealth is generated by work so when someone demands money, what they are really demanding is that you work for them. If you can build a time machine and demand it from the people who were actually responsible for the horrors of slavery, go right ahead… but concepts of original sin, inherited guilt, and all its nefarious offshoots need to be resisted by rational people.
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I am incredibly angry about all this reparations rubbish. It is the stuff of fantasy and nothing else. There is a strong force in the 21st century called racism fetishism. History books will be full of it. It’s where people want to drop to their knees before people of other races to feel good about themselves. It is a psychotic disease. I never owned a slave? Did you? Now stop being so stupid!
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Should we build prisons in Iran, Afghanistan, Syria etc… in preparation for sending the thousands of criminals, sorry refugees back that are landing here?
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40. Posted by horsforthmick
“its an old political tactic”
Actually nobody in Argentina said such a thing. Also in Scotland like other regions, central Government only gets the blame when it neglects those regions or say misspends oil revenues.And Jamaica does have problems, but then it wouldn’t exist except for the British slave trade. And slave trade money was invested in Britain.
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You have to ask law abiding Jamaicans are surely not coming to the UK and turning into criminals the UK must be allowing Jamaican Criminals into the UK & god knows how many other foreign criminals. Can we please have a proper immigration policy with no criminals allowed in from any foreign nation please. That is what the UK public want.
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We are hobbled by ECHR. We need to have our own UK Human Rights Act that serves and protects the population of the UK. Foreigners must know this – if they come here illegally or act illegally they will be deported immediately.
must be loads of Jamaican Yardi criminals in UK prisons
@ 158. Hereward: can you please elaborate what far fetched logic compelled you ask that poorly articulated question and how it relates to my post? Then I might be able to answer you, in proper English. Thank you. (Unless you are just trying to provoke me, in which case, don’t bother).
169. Posted by shaun
You must be a subscriber to Fox “News” I take it.
laric the Visigoth
One day out of the EU and we could build two of them here”
No we couldn’t. ..After rebate, H2020, farming subsidies, regional aid etc the saving would be £20m/day
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OK so we don’t start building on Monday, we wait ’til wednesday, then we have the other £20M a day to spend.
What happens when they’re released from jail? They come back here? We build more jails in Jamaica? If we build infrastructure like hospitals, schools there why can’t we build schools here? If we build hospitals there, can we send British people there for treatment? Can’t a sovereign country pay for its own stuff?
The time when the foreign aid budget lines the pocket of corrupt officials is over
The Arab states were plucking slaves out of Africa for hundreds of years, some would argue they are still doing it
The British just came along with a navy and industrialised the process.
Another point people forget is that Africans would sell their ‘brothers’ to highest bidder.
At some point in history every nation and people have been slaves.
The British were the first to abolish it!
Will Cameron and his misgovernment front bench be sent off to the new Jamaica Prison to try it out? Let’s hope so
“shouldn’t be at the expense of the hard-working British taxpayer,”
So where did the £25m come from DC, the magic money tree?
If these people are crooks, then send them back, if the jail is tough, tough, shouldn’t have done the crime.
29. Iain A
“So ‘Foreign Aid’ is now a euphemism for ‘giving a bung to a foreign government to spend on any project they fancy’ now is it? Ludicrous.”
Nothing new at all, except that its usually been individuals in corrupt foreign govts syphoning it off for themselves.
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Tell you what; we’ll pay reparations out of the reparations we get from the Danes, the French, and the Italians. Oh no wait, we’ve got on with our lives, that’s right.
Anyway, I’d have thought the Jamaicans would be thrilled we want to pay them £25m so they can house all those generous men who have been over here culturally enriching us. They’ll be welcoming them back with open arms, surely?
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133. Superhoops
“Why let it stop at Jamaica? We have quite a lot of foreign criminals in our jails from different countries, why not just build new jails in every country we have a criminal from?Or we could impose some proper checks before we let all and sundry into the country”
Seems logical to you and me but apparently not to the people in power. They seem incapable of using common sense!
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Any foreign ne’re do wells just kick them out for God’s sake. The only way forward is UKIP, it is the only answer.
“It is absolutely right that foreign criminals who break our laws are properly punished but this shouldn’t be at the expense of the hard-working British taxpayer,” he said.”
Thought it had been awhile since Dave rolled out his boring and patronising “hard-working British” line. This time it’s taxpayer. Makes a change from families I suppose.
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Building a prison in Jamaica is a one off and thus far cheaper for UK taxpayers in the long run. Don’t know if it’s ethical, that’s another question. Ignoring human rights is not wise, it’s against you own interests, think about it.
Jamaica, no she was quite willing.
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UK to build £25m Jamaican prison -bbc
==hehehehey……..hurhurhurhur……HAHAHAHAHA
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7. Posted by Pauline Fothergill
Wow! I didn’t realize Jamaica was in the EU – well, you learn something new every day on HYS!!!
And this is thanks to the European court of human rights rulings, would you like me to do you a drawing with crayons to explain it more ?
The European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU AT ALL!
How about that 25 million going to the steel plant in Redcar ?
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I wonder if Dave sampled the herb…
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Apparently this is a true story.
145.Harold
Does that mean in about 200 years the ancestors of the migrants who were ill treated Hungary and Croatia will be able to launch legal action against those countries because of said ill treatment?
@117 Yellow Submourinho
Presumably we will have some kind of say in what happens in the jail and be able to monitor conditions.
I agree it is a strange circumstance, but international human rights lawyers created the condition in which our law and order is affected by the state of another country’s prisons. There has to be some pragmatism.
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Comment number 156. Posted by mrcynict4
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Oh for God’s sake can’t they bloody well build their own. We can’t look after our old people and yet we go around the world playing Lady Bountiful. I just despair !!!!!!
7 hours ago
I wonder if Farage and co, would have a policy to spend 300 mil to build roads else where, we may have only one seat but iam so glad I voted ukip and will do again whenever I get the chance, That’s Camerons mentally, 1700 jobs and a steel factory goes, and he wants to invest in yet another country, who voted for this shower of rubbish government in.
7 hours ago
How did Governments & the Judiciary let us get to the disgusting situation where foreign criminals are considered and often given asylum after finishing their sentences?
This is the root cause of having to spend UK money overseas rather than on UK infrastructure.
What is the current Government & Judiciary doing about this shameful state of affairs?
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600 Jamaicans in UK prisons. How do they all get in? How do all these people from these foreign toilets get into this country?
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The majority of migrants to the UK are now from non-EU countries. We’ve seen RECORD BREAKING immigration in the past 3 years & have slashed the border force.
Keep up.
Why are we paying for prisons in other countries? It makes no sense. You build them a shiny new prison, in ten years it’ll be packed to the rafters and get blamed on us for Jamaican incompetence.
I don’t understand why we are prohibited from deporting Jamaican people to Jamaica. High crime rates and heavy policing backlash are not our problem. North Korean? Sure, we’ll protect you.
Just do it quickly and get rid of them. Sick and tired of hearing about how much money we are spending elsewhere whist in the next breath hearing about cuts here.
We should not be funding foreign jails they should just be sent back ignoring the human rights act, and we are not going to apologise for slavery as it has been going on for thousands of years including in Africa, and the middle east, we actully tried to stop it.
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7. Posted by Pauline Fothergill
Wow! I didn’t realize Jamaica was in the EU – well, you learn something new every day on HYS!!!
And this is thanks to the European court of human rights rulings, would you like me to do you a drawing with crayons to explain it more ?
No doubt the Chinese will get the contract for this.
It seems that many on here don’t really see anything wrong with the slave trade in the first place, so maybe we should hold a referendum to see whether the majority of the country is in favour of reparations, and close the issue once and for all.
The Caricom reparations committee, which was set up by Caribbean nations to lobby for compensation
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LOL, I would earmark money from the Romans,Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans & Scots (James 1st of England and 2nd of Scotland) compensations payments to England.
Taking this ‘reparations’ thing to its logical conclusion, half of Europe and most of North Africa could sue the oil-rich Arab states for the Islamic invasions from about AD700 to AD1400 when millions of Jews, Christians and other non Muslims were either killed or enslaved …. but I cannot see that happening so maybe best to forget claiming reparations for very old misdeeds.
7 hours ago
We could save a fortune simply by deporting the foreign criminals and not letting them back in the country. Prison in the UK is not seen as a punishment, more of a holiday for these people. Deport them and close the door!
7 hours ago
well I never, the non racist truth breaks house rules, unless it breaks the law you should show everything warts and all, ignoring the views that you don’t like won’t make them go away
its an old political tactic
trouble in argentina – blame the nasty british for taking the falklands
trouble in Scotland – blame the nasty English for voting conservative
trouble in Jamaica – blame the evil british slave owners
and on and on and on
no point the Jamaicans asking the Africans, turks, arabs, americans etc for compensation, they would tell them where to stick it.
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Comment number 139. Posted by Jack Orion
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Be interesting to know how many Tory Ministers’ Family Members and Relatives have shares in the Caribbean Developement Bank.
According to some, I thought migrants made an important and valuable contribution to this country!
“Almost 70% of the Jamaicans in prison in Britain are serving sentences for violence and drug offences.”
“Currently they cannot be sent to Jamaica because of fears that jail conditions in the country would allow a successful challenge under human rights law.”
These prisoners must be laughing with tears while eating their tax payer funded porridge!
GET THEM OUT OF HERE, NOW!!!!!
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A little flipant but point is well made. However the role we have in the world today was built through empire and the subjication of people around the world. I accept we can’t make proper reparation to all, but dont see an issue with apologising for acts then that would be considered unacceptable now. Unlike the Viking example these were acts legitismised by our Government
Nice idea. Now we just need another massive prison to offload all these refugees into….Angela Merkel will be reopening Auschwitz :0
Pssst, Don’t tell Cameron, but …
There are 900 Polish in UK jails costing £35M every year.
When’s he going to build a Polish jail in Poland?
The UK jail population of foreigners has doubled since 2004 from 7% to 14%
It costs £308,000,000 every year to house the foreign criminals.
Meanwhile he’s allowing another 915 foreigners into the UK every day Net.
Glad I didn’t vote for him.
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Comment number 133. Posted by Superhoops
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Why let it stop at Jamaica ? We have quite a lot of foreign criminals in our jails from different countries, why not just build new jails in every country we have a criminal from ? Or we could impose some proper checks before we let all and sundry into the country.
7 hours ago
‘we’ should not be ‘apologetic’ for the slave trade, those involved are long dead. I bet NO West Indian would rather be in Africa than WI now!! How come we are all pally with Germans,Japan etc. and wars happened relatively recently. Yet because Britain is a ‘soft touch’ and seen as a money box, we (alive now) inherit guilt for ancient history. Do immigrants now assume this responsibility?
7 hours ago
When you read stories about how the Jamaican Commissioner for Reparations has said that Cameron should *personally* apologise for his family’s supposed involvement in the slave trade (acting as though DC bears some of that blame personally) I think you realise all rational discourse has been thrown out the window.
Ridiculous, racist-centric dialogue from a cash strapped Jamaican govt.
7 hours ago
We are spending £25M because prisons are so harsh in Jamaica that criminal’s human rights will be compromised? Again human rights laws make a mockery of decent people – where’s my right not to be the victim of foreign criminals? Life’s about decisions & consequences. If they decide to commit crime here they should face prison in Jamaica, however harsh, and at no cost to law abiding UK citizens.
“Officials say the foreign aid-funded deal could save UK taxpayers £10m a year when transfers begin in 2020.”
Yes and Dave told us he had halved a £1.7bn EU surcharge before the election but quietly paid it off in full recently. So official figures and actual reality are often misleading if not complete lies.
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Comment number 127. Posted by Fettle-it
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Why should Cameron apologise for events that are confined in history?
Does that mean we now deserve an apology from the Jamaican Government for the appalling crime rates caused by the descendants of Jamaican immigrants on the streets of London?
Jog on
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Comment number 126. Posted by Brian
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Strange, no requesting compensation from the Africans who rounded up and sold the slaves to Europeans…wonder why?
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Comment number 125. Posted by WhoamI
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I trust EVERY PENNY is coming from the obscenely bloated Overseas Aid Budget.
I also trust that EVERY Jamaican criminal is deported to the jail immediately on conviction.
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87. WithoutWorries
The article states that “Officials say the foreign aid-funded deal could save UK taxpayers £10m a year when transfers begin in 2020”.
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What if there are no Jamaican prisoners by that time? What if there are all out tomorrow?
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Based on all governments records on illegal immigration, I’m sure there will be plenty of illegal Jamaican criminals to deport.
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Comment number 122. Posted by ComfortablyNumb
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Send them halfway back make nice fish food. UK has far more pressing needs than jail in another country
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Comment number 119. Posted by PoorSoul
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7 hours ago
The numbers on this add up, but the money is coming from the Overseas Aid Budget 10 -12 Bn. plus. This is borrowed money anyway to be paid back by future generations.
Why not borrow some more to build houses etc.
I know, because that would deflate house and rent prices and be an Election looser.
It was also the British who abolished the slave trade and policed it. Can we have some compensation to pay for the Royal Navy of the day please?
7 hours ago
I’m baffled. Is there anyone on HYS who can explain to me how a building will alleviate the claimed human rights infringements? Apart from a temporary easing of overcrowding perhaps – surely it’s what happens inside the building that may or may not constitute human rights abuse?
If I was a lawyer representing one of these criminals, that’s what I’d argue. So will it achieve the desired effect?
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Comment number 115. Posted by adiEU Muppets
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Where is all this money coming from to go to projects abroad? Aren’t we being told that in GB we should brace ourselves for more austerity?
£25m for a new prison, £300m for building roads, etc around the Caribbean – what about a by-pass for where I live?
A day doesn’t go by without us being told we are giving to this or that country whilst we have to tighten our belts. It beggars belief.
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Comment number 114. Posted by Mike from Brum
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“Jamaica is third highest in the list of foreign countries with nationals serving prison sentences in the UK”. So why are we letting any more of these people in? Is it in case someone thinks excluding them might be construed as to do with the colour of their skin? Keep them away, because 300 of them broke our laws and are costing UK taxpayers between 20k and 50k a year to keep incarcerated.
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Comment number 112. Posted by MikeH_UK
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No problem with that. Just build it at Port Stanley.
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Comment number 106. Posted by Mr Splat
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I was born in the 90s, and it’s good to know that Jamaican politicians born more than likely in 40/50s/60’s along with various activists are demanding that my (small so far) tax contributions be used to pay for something that was abolished by “us” close to 200 years ago.
Aren’t we meant to be passed all this “sins of the father” nonsense?
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Comment number 104. Posted by Templar
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So reparations for slavery…..no problem there.
We will simply seek an indemnity from:
1. The supra Saharan African nations for the Barbary Corsairs who enslaved many white Europeans.
2. The Arab states that actually handed over the sub Saharan African slaves
3. Turkey for the slave-masters of the Ottoman empire.
4. The Italians for the Roman Empire
..and so on ad infinitum
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63. Posted by HackToff
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The cynic in me suspects that grossly overpaid human rights barristers will block all modicum of common sense.
Seeing as our govt has ripped up the human rights act, and is scrapping legal aid, I seriously doubt it.
Has Cameron gone completely bonkers. His policies are causing very great hardship in the place he is supposed to be prime minister of, whilst he trots around the globe (at our expense no doubt) dishing out our money on hair brained ideas like this? When will he realise he has completely lost the plot.
7 hours ago
If Jamaican prisons are so poor why are so many Jamaicans committing crimes, not our problem. Do the crime do the time. Not at my expense.
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Comment number 98. Posted by tashyboy
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Can’t send them back because of human rights.
What about the human rights of the people they abused, which is why they ended up inside.
Jamaicans, third highest foreign nationals in prison. Why are the 1st and second nationals not deported. Sorry I forgot. Human rights.
If Jamaican prisons are so terrible we should be paying them to build them here.
Comment number 92. Posted by malt loaf
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7 hours ago
Some people don’t seem to have any embarrassment
The Jamaican govt is asking for reparations for past deeds and yet cannot treat today’s prisoners humanitarianly without a handout from the UK
The irony, the irony
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So, we build a prison in Jamaica which then enables its govt to close one of its existing prisons and fill the new one with its existing prisoners. Still no room for us to deport Jamaican prisoners from UK. What then? Build another? I don’t think that this has been thought through well.
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Comment number 87. Posted by WithoutWorries
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is that a saving on jailing them here
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What if there are no Jamaican prisoners by that time? What if there are all out tomorrow?
Comment number 85. Posted by Mr Bob
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7 hours ago
Reparations for something committed hundreds of years ago is a pathetic suggestion from the pathetic leadership of Jamaica.
If you go down that route, we would have to put in a claim against Norway for the raping and pillaging their Viking ancestors did etc, etc.
The Jamaican leadership need grow up, their problems are very much down to their own poor administrations.
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Comment number 82. Posted by PAUL BIRMINGHAM
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It was Black Africans who captured and sold their countrymen into slavery, I don’t suppose Jamaica not asking for reparations from Africa?
The UK is “not going” to give money for reparations, but they are giving £300M by another name.
There is no-one alive today, whose parents or grandparents were slaves, just let it go, unless you really think all black people should be moved back to Africa?
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Comment number 73. Posted by Hambo
True. It was the fault of the Monarchy and nobility of the time, make the Queen pay reparations for the acts of her forefathers.
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Yep because it’s very reasonable for one person to have to pay for the acts of their relatives that were committed before they were even born? Ian Brodie, Harold Shipman and Jimmy Saville’s relatives must be quaking.
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Comment number 78. Posted by Kendalian
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Bit of a paradox really, Jamaicans wanting reparations for the slave trade without which they wouldn’t be Jamaicans.
I can understand reparations given to living victims but not to decendants so many generations removed.
all a bit odd
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If 600 Jamaican.. is greater £25m then it’s a no brainer. This balance seems to be absent from the story.
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Comment number 76. Posted by rr6
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8 hours ago
Prisons should be located in the cheapest places; there should be no prisons in expensive city centres or in places of outstanding beauty. Who cares if it is a long way for visitors…the criminals should have considered that earlier.
The UK should only be paying for foreign prisons if the expenditure comes from the foreign aid budget (which also needs to be reduced).
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Comment number 74. Posted by Mike from Brum
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Send the Jamaican criminals back to their home; the conditions in their prisons are not our concern. Why not spend the £25 million on the improvement of overcrowded UK prisons?
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25. Posted by DJ205
“It was a very black mark on our country’s history, no doubt about that, but for us who are living now it was hardly our fault.”
True. It was the fault of the Monarchy and nobility of the time, make the Queen pay reparations for the acts of her forefathers.
8 hours ago
Have you noticed not one person who wants slave reparations has ever gone back to West Africa ?
This fits in very well with the story of the 3 Libyan soldiers sent down for sexual assault, theft etc whilst guests in the UK and now claiming asylum
When are the judiciary going to balance Human Rights for criminals with the Human Rights of the innocent UK public to have to live with such a threat?
This is why getting foreign criminals off UK soil quickly is so important
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“Mr Cameron, the first British prime minister to visit the island in 14 years, is also set to announce £300m of aid funding on infrastructure projects across the Caribbean, including roads, bridges and ports.”
More of Dave’s “money no object” rubbish so long as he doesn’t have to spend it on things in this country where most ordinary people have to suffer his beloved austerity forever.
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Comment number 66. Posted by HD
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Maybe the queen ordered this prison after all She is still the head of Jamaica as well as head of UK.
My 1/8 welsh part and 1/4 Irish side of my self are to sue the rest for me for reparations that the rest of the English bit of me did something to the fractions of myself 100’s of years ago. I think some Eurocrat lawyer would give it a go on a no win no fee basis? sounds about a sane as this article.
8 hours ago
I do hope the government lawyers are certain these criminals can be sent back.
The cynic in me suspects that grossly overpaid human rights barristers will block all modicum of common sense.
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Comment number 62. Posted by DianaP
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8 hours ago
Another total waste of tax payers money. David Cameron should not be let out of this country!!
Despite my unfavourable views on foreign aid, I have to admit, this is a good idea. If we can get the criminals out of the UK, we don’t pay for their incarceration, which could stretch to considerably more than the £25m we’ve contributed to this new prison. Not only that, but by deporting criminals, society doesn’t have to suffer their presence anymore.
Why on earth are we building prisons for other countries so we can deport their criminals. They should be deported to their country of origin full stop. I dont give a toss if Jamaican prison conditions are poor, that is their problem not ours. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime but as always the UK nationals come way down the list of priorities
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Don’t UK taxpayers have any rights? I pay my taxes to be used in THIS country only.
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Comment number 56. Posted by RitaKleppmann
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Of course Cameron won´t accept demands for compensation regarding the slave trade. That would open the door for an awful lot of people from an awful lot of countries also demanding compensation. Britain´s history is not clean and civilised.
What is this country coming to? Building prisons in other countries so we can send criminals back? Just kick them back and make sure they don’t return.
As for our involvement in the slave trade, how about our compensation from the Vikings??
I really fear for my children’s future.
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Comment number 52. Posted by Tornado
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In 2010 it was estimated that the average cost of a prisoner in UK was around £40,000 per year. Times that by 600 and it becomes £24m. No doubt there are other expenses and adjustments needed to this figure, but on the face of it the idea will save the UK money in the medium and long term.
So before criticizing the idea, do some research and THINK before you post!
Who cares about the poor conditions in Jamaican prisons? Just send them back regardless instead of building them a five-star facilities.
I believe that if you choose to live elsewhere & you commit a crime (not a minor victimless crime) then the host nation shouldn’t pay for you to be kept. Anyone can make a mistake but if you’re given a prison term then it must be bad!
Don’t believe the hype about this being down to ‘human rights’ either. As others have said, we happily shipped people to Guantanamo without trial!
Deport.
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Nice.
Of course we have no money to build prisons with in the uk, or pay staff that work there.
But so long as we can find 25 Million to pay for others !
That’s the way of Britain !
When was the last time you heard anything GREAT about Britain ?
Just kick them out, take all the foreign prisoners and simply dump them back where they came from
We don’t need them in the UK !!!
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Comment number 47. Posted by WithoutWorries
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If 600 Jamaican nationals servicing their sentences in the UK is greater £25m then it’s a no brainer. This balance seems to be absent from the story.
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Comment number 45. Posted by 50shadesofearlgrey
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8 hours ago
“also wants an apology from the British Government”
for it’s role in the slave trade?
They should be thanking the British Government for
ABOLISHING IT
Move on,nothing to see here…..
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Comment number 43. Posted by Dawn Turtle
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8 hours ago
“Prime Minister David Cameron announced the deal as he began a visit there”.
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Not much of a “deal” for the UK though, is it ? But it’s a cracking “deal” for Jamaica.
I really don’t need to comment – everyone on here has said what I’d have said.
Why are our politicians so out of touch with the sentiments of the ordinary people of this country?
Ah the wonderful irony of it! PM on a trade mission to Jamaica and it’s overshadowed by the historic slavery issue. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of reparations, what does he offer – a spanking new Prison paid for by British Taxpayers. Are they to be built by his pet companies G4S or Serco?
8 hours ago
Another reason to leave the eu, we should be spending the 25 million on the nhs or our own jails.
If Jamaica wants to improve its own jails then that’s their choice with their money.
Sure some people will vote this down without any reason.
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Indian, Pakistani, African, Indonesian and Chinese prisons are not exactly holiday camps, but we can send them back. As far as i’m aware Jamaica has a better human rights record than most of them. £300 million would fix a few pot holes here as well.
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Comment number 37. Posted by Bob Webster
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What they mean is Jamaican prisons are real prisons. Places that are not nice to be in and stop you re-offending. Unlike the TV, Sky, Pool table, Gym equipment laden hotels over here. Perhaps we should get Jamaica to build a few jails over here and it may stop OUR re-offending rate.
I’ve seen it all now. Why should we fund prisons half-way round the world to house foreign criminals? Ever get the feeling we’re being taken for a bunch of mugs?
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So ‘Foreign Aid’ is now a euphemism for ‘giving a bung to a foreign government to spend on any project they fancy’ now is it? Ludicrous.
al Pete
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Jamaica shouid seek reparations from the Africans and Arabs who rounded their own people up and sold them into slavery .
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Fine, it’s money well spent provided they are never allowed back in the country again when they have finished their sentences. Also no criminal of Jamaican origin should have the right to say “No” to deportation to this facility.
Fat chance.
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I’m not sure about this one, £25m tax payers money, on the other hand, is that a saving on jailing them here, I’d like to know the full story. But I guess… this helps.
Now I’ve heard everything. Reparations for slavery? Fair enough if this was within living memory, but it all happened 200 years ago. Nobody in Jamaica or the UK is alive that either owned a slave or was a slave themselves, so who on earth is there to compensate? It was a very black mark on our country’s history, no doubt about that, but for us who are living now it was hardly our fault.
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Why is the UK constantly being taken for a mug. We need to spend this (and the £16bn aid budget) on fixing all the broken infrastructure here.
8 hours ago
I can understand why the government is doing this, however, I do think that 25m could be spent in the UK on social housing, any foreign individual found guilty in british court of a criminal offence should be deported to thier country of origin, no appeals, no breach of human rights claims, and all assets in the UK frozen and siezed by the state to cover reperations to victims, court costs etc.
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WE ended slavery 200 years ago – Stop trying to scrounge money from us and get over it!
Just send them back and let their own government deal with it.
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Hip-hip-horray !
A policy that makes sense
For far too long have we been the butt of jokes
Criminals from foreign countries come here as it is so easy to commit crime and the punishment far too lenient
If caught we pay huge amounts of our money to keep them in our country
This makes sense and gets the dregs of our street and out of our country
Let them stay in their own country
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Why are we such a Nation of namby pambies! So what if their Prison conditions are deplorable. Do the crime do the time, want to go home to serve your sentence then off you go or lets put it this way ‘off you go’.
8 hours ago
Excellent use of foreign aid. Everyone gains.
I have the question why Jamaican nationals should not be subject to conditions prevailing in Jamaican jails? and why this is a human rights consideration for the UK.
Human Rights have simply gone too far.
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Comment number 15. Posted by Old Father Thames
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calls from Jamaican MPs and campaigners for Britain to pay reparations for its role in the slave trade threaten to overshadow his trip.
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Yes there were negative and shameful aspects of the British empire such as the slave trade however these were balanced by the enormous benefits such as infrastructure and law.
Furthermore has this country prospered since independence from Britain?
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Since when has it been OK to use our foreign aid budget to save on the cost of running prisons. Shameful.
A non UK citizen breaks UK law in the UK.
Once charged and sentenced put them on the next flight to whatever country they came from and escort them to a jail in their own country.
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While I deplore the sentiments expressed in the two previous comments I have to say this is not a daft idea. If the purpose of prison is both punishment and rehabilitation then being near family is important. We must not forget imprisonment punishes families as well.
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Comment number 11. Posted by arfajob01
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Comment number 10. Posted by blinny
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Find me today a Jamaican citizen that is a slave to a British citizen and I might consider thinking about reparations.
If we are going to go back hundreds of years then I want reparations from the Italian government for the Romans that made slaves of my British ancestors.
We have historic links with the Caribbean and I don’t want silly money grabbers ruining the good relations we have today.
Comment number 8. Posted by flipmode
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Send them back if you know their origin
£25 million to the NHS
I don’t care what prisons are like in Jamaica.
Don’t do the crime if you cant do the time
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Comment number 6. Posted by Siouxfly
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Sorry but what’s this payment for if not quasi reparations for the past? Ridiculous that we pay anything we weren’t even born. The sins of the father …..nonsense.
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And I suppose we wil let them come straight back to the UK after release to continue their life of crime……
This deal is “Reparations in a thinly- veiled disguise”
“We” didn’t have a problem “deporting” to Guantanamo
Why are they even here in the first place?
Good to see were still prioritising the countries austerity measures.
Send them back anyway and save us £25,000,000
Just deport them. Who care if they might suffer in a Jamaican prison?
Can we use the money to build homes for British people instead. We waste too much of our taxpayers money overseas alread
I told you met just disgusting.
I hope the comments are being read and that it bun NUFF feelings!
Onu pick up onu self and children and move them to these f**king countries to make them even better off than where you come from!
Onu VOTE fi phucking colors and Pretty faces and not for progress!
Onu don’t discourage but encourage uncivil behavior and settle for what the phuck ever from those who call themself leaders!
Onu support the Jicons, flippas, kartels and the apple dem lifestyles and the fashion designers rather than the economy and education of your nation…
Some of onu all proud to have onu children serving in foreign nation militaries, but would turn onu noses up of having them join the Jamaican Defense Forces!
I nah vex wid none a the comments because dem only a talk what we should know lonnnng ago.
Crime and bad economy in Jamaica happens because people rather to run left it than to stay and FIGHT IT! Notice no matter what Americans, Canadians and Brits them nah leave dem country give not a soul…negros can’t stay still and make the best of what they have!
but its ok to pay the jew for the century old holocaust!!! england should tell israel that
Well said phantom Phoenix. It’s hurts to know that Jamaica cannot afford this shit but look if it was any other country’s criminals wreaking havoc in Jamaica the same ideas would be present. Damn